Fighting with wife about sex

AtHomeDad32
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My wife and i are 32 years old. To make a long story short, her sex drive died when she concieved our first son. Not birthed... concieved.

From that point on it has been sex 1 time a week if i'm lucky. She constantly accuses me of using her for sex. We've been together for 8 years and she accuses me of using her.

She tells me i'm constantly bringing up sex. She's wrong, because i'm the ONLY one bringing up sex. I've tried letting her bring it up and she just forgot about it.

Here is the situation at home. We are financially stable with padding in the bank. I was laid off from my job due to the economy, but i have made the most of it by going back to school. I am also taking care of our 2 boys, feeding everyone meals, cleaning the house (all of it) including picking up after the wife.

She works her 8 hours, comes home, eats, showers, watches TV, and then goes to bed to read until she goes to sleep. Most of the time i put the kids to bed.

I have tried everything to get her in the mood. Massage, flowers, gifts, romance, compliments. That is just a portion of the things i have tried. I have been a good listener, but she doesn't want any responses to the things she talks about. She just expects me to listen and not say a word. She is only interested in hearing about what the kids did that day. I have given up trying to make conversation with her.

 




Ariel3618
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Frustrating

It might be frustrating but count your blessings too.  I'd love to have sex once a week but since our 2nd was born 6+ months ago there has been NOTHING.  I have talked with my wife about this and told her that while sex is important to me, what's even more frustrating is a general lack of intimacy (i.e. unsolicited hugs or kisses, cuddling).

I wish I could offer words of encouragement but I'm in the same boat or maybe a much, much smaller one.



Hogan
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A lot of dads feel your pain.

Read the libido thread. (Now at 265 comments) Sadly, you're not alone.

I'm one of the lucky ones but having sex with my wife is like pulling teeth.  I'm always the one initiating it.

One time she said, "You need a girlfriend."

"Can I get that in writing, dear?"

Hope your wife will see the light SOON and bring the intimacy and sex back into the marriage.

Hogan, Board Member At-Large



Tim E
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go away.....

"From that point on it has been sex 1 time a week if i'm lucky."

Go away.  Nobody likes a braggart.......

;-)

 

 

 

 



Suckerg
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lack of

As John McClain said in "Die Hard". Welcome to the party pal.



107wood
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Girlfriend?

Hogan, I once mentioned to my wife about me getting a girlfriend for the same reason.  Her response was, "no, because you might like her more than me and leave me for her".  My response to that was simple, "Why in the world would I leave a wife that lets me have a girlfriend?"

She had no response. 



Hogan
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ROFLMAO!

My wife had no response either.

It might be time to ammend the wedding vows to include a clause that states if your spouse doesn't meet the required sex quota (whatever reasonable number you choose) the sexless spouse has permission to have sex with another person.  In our case girlfriend, stripper, and/or prostitute.  And of course the spouse should be exempt from any punnishement.



lovemyfamily
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My conclusion so far? I may

My conclusion so far? I may not be a marriage material, unfortunately. Society names sexually open minded women  simply - sluts. You are a slut, if you flirt, you are a slut, if you dress provocatively. We did it to ourselves. Let women be flirtatious, and they will be more than willing to make miracles in bed. Hell, when  I get looked at in a weird way, when I play "looking game" with a total stranger in a shop just because I am married,  that's bull. I wouldn't want to have sex with my husband at home, because the society once again implied, that I can't be a sexual being everywhere. Just in bed, under the covers with a spouse who isn't that great sometimes. I have a need to feel desired not just by my husband, I need that spark outside of home, so I can bring it home and just show my hubby what a hot sex goddess I am, and show him and myself that we belong together (are you getting that). I am not talking about going around and cheating, just allowing myself to be fun and flirty everywhere, not just at home. Routine is just a routine, and it becomes boring eventually, especially if you are married for a long time. Oh yeah, I don't freak out when I see my husband talking to another chick. Why in the world men are so judgmental when they see their wife as much as just exchanging a polite talk with a co-worker? I guess, what I am trying to say is that double standards have to be gone for good. Maybe, if women have a little more freedom sex/flirt/appearance wise, it wouldn't be such a drag for many women to want to be sexy in bed. Once it gets into our heads that sex is something dirty, it's there regardless of age. I guess, thats how i feel. I am now afraid to be hot and sexy(

. BTW, I just left a post today on "wife has no libido". You might wanna go there and pick up on many good advices. Good luck.



Jackie
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this is why I have never gotten married

Wow...let me just say to all of you men who are working so diligently to help out their wives with responsibilities of home and children and are not getting your own needs met (however meagerly you have set the bar), my heart goes out to both you AND your wives.  Sometimes I wonder if I am the only woman on the planet who has thought this whole thing through, the fact that generally speaking, men want/need more sex than women do, and that this issue, in the context of a marriage, could cause so much pain and discomfort for both parties.  After my last relationship ended, I decided I am just not marriage material if there is going to be this constant conflict!  It must be absolutely awful to always have this looming in the middle of your relationship.  When you go to bed each night, there is always that "unspoken wondering" -- on your part, "Am I gonna get any tonight?"  And on her part, "Oh no, is he going to bug me again tonight?"

I have had this experience in every relationship I have ever been in.  It seems like one of those areas where one person is always going to be doing the most of the "compromising". And how sad for a man to know that his wife is only having sex with him as a pathetic "compromise."  But how sad for a woman to be doing something she really doesn't want anything to do with, it is just a "duty".  And then when the man "compromises" by not asking for sex, how can anything but resentment come into play?

I can't even pretend to understand any of this,  but my heart goes out to all of the married people who are dealing with it.



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this is normal ..

This is normal ... women dont think the same as men about sexual needs .. with me its a constant battle it seems.. it like a game .. im 42 and have learned to go without ... plus im not a man who has to have sex all the time .. this is part or lifes game !!



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My experience

  1. Never forget where you started

If everyone notices the same thing in that "later" on in the marriage, things go awry, then what happened since then? True it could be medical issues or just age itself. But chances are, it's not. Chances are, something along the way made this happen as a chain of events reaction.
Common practice is that your wife should be your best friend. With the typical repetitions of daily duty, it's hard to remember sometimes that you aren't just work partners trying to get kids out the door. Valid points can be found in a lot that has been said. Wives may not want to be touched by another person after dealing with the kids all day. Why? Because you are being thought of as another service she has to perfom possibly. Is this because she doesn't think you are attractive? Probably not. It's most likely because you don't feel like her best friend. It's very easy to take a woman (a good woman) for granted. Expecting all she gives day in and day out, over anticipating sex to the point of pressure and expecting it to stay on shedule, and how you handle those situations mean a say everything to a woman. If you handle things bossy, rudely, greedily, and ect... You are not what one would call a "best friend". A woman needs that special type of bond feeling to go through their minds in order to feel in the mood. For example, put a woman in a bad mood and try and get her off..... IT Ain't gonna happen! That same concept applies with their desire.
Sex for a woman also needs to be fun, not just pleasurable. For a woman, if getting off was all there was to it, many times they wouldn't even bother. Most women are not going to get off everytime, and there needs to be something more there for them. That something is sharing intimacy, love, and "friendship.
When all is said and done at the end of the day, you both have to be able to return back to that feeling you had when you first married and met. Remember how it used to be??? When your goal was to get the kids taken care of and off to bed so that you could get some free time together and get your freak on?
That is what is gone..... Not her sex drive. It's still right there where it left off.
Go get your friend back!
Lay off the gifts....they scream bribery.Forget about doing favors around the house to butter her up.... She isn't dumb and it's just more pressure that "yes, she can see and feel".
Talk to her, take interest in her, make her laugh, and remind her of what it is that you 2 are doing together, aside from performing factory like functions together for a common cause.
Do this, and the booty is all yours......not to mention!!!....You will have your best friend back ;)



OceanDweller
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You guys are not getting

You guys are not getting this guy at all.  Its not about having sex one time a week, its about the wife starting the initation of sex/coming on to him.  I am in the same boat, sense my wife and I a have been married you can count the amount of times on one hand shes come on to me knowing it would revert to sex.  I guess once a week isn't bad, I am at two.  I know its hard around kids trying to find time for sure but I am with you.  Get the damn kids out of the bed if they are still in it, that is my problem by far but with very little ones hard.  Speaking of that, I need to take my own advice.  :)

 

Brad



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Jackie, your post really

Jackie, your post really inspired me.  It was so right on that its not even funny.  You hit the nail on the head.

 

Brad



DDL
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yes most of us missed it

Yes, Oceandweller is right.  Most of us missed it, when AtHomeDad32 said once a week, many of us felt envy, and or what have you to complain about.  That said, what we really want is to be desired, not given pity.  The role reversal that many in this forum have, should as popular culture and the gurus on marriage suggest lead to women who can't wait to get their guy in bed.  We have bought into that.

I still am thinking that the conclusion most of the men come to is live with it, and yes most of us rebell at that. But for men who are truly desirous of being at home and with the kids/family we will honor our vows, keep our committments and be frustrated.  At least we can vent here.



happilymarried
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Makes Sense lovemyfamily

You must have a point. My wife flirts a lot. Not just with me, but other guys as well. However, I know that she's only giving me the goods. I don't get mad at her, she doesn't get mad at me. We have a lot of great sex though. I saw the wife lost libido and posted a comment there as well. I think maybe it's morea bout making your wife feeling sexy, though helping more with chores can never hurt when you want some. My wife likes knowing that I'm not the only one that finds her sexy. Not because she wants to cheat, but she told me herself "Don't you like knowing that someone other than me thinks you're hot?" I do. So I get that she does too.



Not A Dad
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You Have to Choose - Marriage or Sex

As I commented on the Wife Has No Libido post, I am a happily married husband in his late 30s (with no kids) who hasn't had sex in almost six years.  While the complete lack of sex is immensely frustrating, everything else in my marriage is wonderful, so I have no doubt that this is a relationship that I want to stay in.  That is the choice I have made, knowing full well that my sex life is over.  Other men will, understandably, make a different decision.  The important thing is to realize that sex vs. marriage is the choice that has to be made in the large majority of cases. 

The conundrum here arises from the fact that, while there are certainly exceptions, the vast majority of women see sex as a not-that-enjoyable utilitarian activity which they use for two things - getting a man and having babies.  So while women may have an active sex life before getting married and perhaps up to when they have children, once they are in a committed relationship with whatever number of children they want, their interest in sex wanes and often disappears.  Most men, on the other hand, desire sex as a physically and emotionally pleasurable activity that needs to be engaged in frequently. 

The different views of sex between men and women creates an inherent conflict.  If a man gets married, his sex life will most likely disappear within a short period of time or, at best, will limp along for a few extra years through much begging, cajoling, etc.  If a man does not get married, he has the opportunity to continue to have an active sex life, but he will lose all the benefits that come with a stable, committed relationship.  

I don't bother with the begging, cajoling, etc. because, frankly, there are few things that are a bigger turn-off than knowing that you are having sex with someone who isn't really interested in having sex with you.  Instead, I have made my decision - stay in an otherwise happy and loving marriage knowing that I won't have sex.  Having that knowledge and accepting it, along with a lot of will power, makes the lack of sex manageable for me.  But if you are a man who is currently in a sexless marriage, you have to realize that it is not an unusual situation or something that is likely to change, and you have to decide whether the marriage is worth it without sex.  And if you are a man thinking about getting married, you have to decide whether you want to spend the rest of your life with the woman you are thinking about marrying even if sex ends up being rare to non-existent. 

I've made my choice - what is yours?



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No choice necessary

I'm sure in some cases, this may be true, that you need to choose between sex and marriage. In fact, before I married my wife, I asked myself "If we could never have sex again at some point, would I want to stay married to her?" The answer was yes.

However, because we can, we do. There is no reason to choose. I understand that many women do not understand the value of sex in a relationship. My wife and I ahave had our struggles at times. But she understands how important it is to me and she makes an effort because she loves me.

If you are in a sexless marriage, I strongly suggest you enter couples counseling. It is not normal to be this way and it makes you feel unloved, unappreciated and probably immasculated. That is not how your wife should make you feel.

If you love each other, you will both go to counseling until you figure this out.

 

Al Watts President, Daddyshome, Inc. - The National At-Home Dad Network www.daddyshome.org



Not A Dad
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Do we know whether we have to choose?

Omahahomedad - Thanks for the response.  I am curious if anyone has any solid data on this issue.  In other words, what percent of married women still have an active sex drive and interest in sex with their husbands?  What percent of women see their sex drives wane or virtually disappear after they get married?  And what percent of women still have a sex life, but only if their husbands are constantly nagging and begging them about it?  I'll admit that I don't know the answer, but based on my experiences, what I've heard from other folks, and what I've read, it appears to me that the large majority of women fall into the latter two categories, not the first one.



omahahomedad
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Only about 1% in sexless marriages

This info isn't the most recent data but I think it's reliable:

# 1% of married men reported they have never had sex in the past year, 13% reported only a few times in the past year, 43% reported a few times in the past month, 36% reported 2-3 times a week, and 7% reported 4 or more times a week (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels, 1994).
# 3% of married women reported they have never had sex in the past year,
# 12% reported only a few time in the past year, 47% reported a few times in the past month, 32% reported 2-3 times a week, and 7% reported 4 or more times a week (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels, 1994).
# 13% of married couples reported having sex a few times per year, 45% reported a few times per month, 34% reported 2-3 times per week, and 7% reported 4 or more times per week (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, Michaels, 1994).

It's interesting that married men and women didn't report the same incidents of sex... somebody's cheating or lying to himself!

Al Watts President, Daddyshome, Inc. - The National At-Home Dad Network www.daddyshome.org



Not A Dad
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The number is much higher than 1%

According to the National Survey of Sexual Health and Behavior, the level of sexless marriages is higher than 1%.    http://www.iub.edu/~kinsey/resources/FAQ.html#frequency

20.6% of married men in their 50s report not having sex in the past year.  For men in their 40s, the percent is 9.1%, and in their 30s the percent is 4.5%.  It is only for men in their late 20s that the percent gets down to 1.6%.  Married women report similar numbers.

In addition, a larger percent report having sex only a few times per year or monthly, including 25% of married men in their 50s, 16.2% of men in their 40s, 15.6% of men in their 30s, and 9.3% of men between 25 and 29. 

So, while I may have been incorrect that you really have to choose between marriage and sex, there is a significant proportion of people in sexless or sex-starved marriages.  

In addition, I'd guess that the reported data understates the problem for two reasons.  First, many people do not accurately report things to pollsters, and I'd suspect a lack of sex in marriage as something that people would underreport, rather than overreport.   Second, especially for couples that are having sex less than weekly, I'd bet that in many cases the sex occurs largely because of significant begging and cajoling by the husband and/or because the wife thinks it is her "wifely duty."  And, frankly, such motivations for sex are a huge turnoff, at least for me.

  



Cathie333
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Sooooooooo

The men complaining would rather have half ass forced sex or sex which the enjoyment of is faked? My husband is in the same boat, we're only 31 and have been together for 10 years married 3 of it and all of the sudden i just lost my libido. Nothing has changed. My idea of a hot night is seeing a movie, grabbig a drink and hitting the bed---to sleep that is. Oh glorious sleep!!! Seriously your wives are still attracted to you, just have no desire for sex. I do try to give in once in a while but then the hubs gets angry because i couldnt climax (which has never been a problem) or that i wasnt really into it. Well what do you expect? Thats like us asking you to go shoe shopping and expecting you to be as excited as we are....I look at sex as a want not a need. You do not need it to survive except for procreation, and besides that you have your hands-use em! And leave your poor wives alone!



Not A Dad
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Thanks for Your Honesty

Cathie333 - your honesty about not being interested in sex is refreshing.  As I've commented previously, I think a large proportion of women have no interest in sex soon after they have gotten married and had whatever number of children they want.  Some will continue to have sex out of a feeling of duty or because their husbands beg them, but the number that are truly excited about having sex with their husbands seems pretty low.

I'm curious what you think about a husband who is in a sexless marriage having sex with another woman.  If you truly compare a man wanting sex to a woman wanting someone to go shoe shopping with, then does it matter to you if he has sex with someone else?  I myself have decided I won't do so, but it doesn't seem unfair to me if a man in a sexless marriage decides to.



kymtnman
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completely understand

I guess the good thing is that I'm not alone.  One thing that really helped my wife is that we discovered that she had a very low testosterone count.  She is  is in her early 40s.  She tried bio hormorne replacement therapy and all is good again.  If this is something your wife is willing to try, make sure she gets a bio equivalent (BHRT).  Synthetic hormones have been known to increase cancer risk so that is absolutely not recommended. Besides increased libido your wife will also enjoy more energy to do other things.

 



outlaw.willy
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Same boat

I am in this same situation right now. I am LUCKY to get any every 3 weeks or so. (going on 3 months now) Frustrating does not even start to cover it. My issue is that  have a high sex drive that is exasperated by bodybuilding. I say exasperated, because my testosterone level is higher than average. We are both in our mid 30's. I stay home with a 5 year old and 7 year old. I alone do EVERYTHING at the house because the wife works in healthcare and her schedule swings wildly. I stay in decent shape. I keep the house spotless an unexagerated 98% of the time. I keep everyone fed. I look after shopping, schooling, discipline,  doctors, and just everything. So I don't know what more she could want. I am at the point now, where I have given right the hell up. I am done initiating things. I am done wishing for any signs of intimacy from her. Since last night, I decided, I also was not going to show any intimacy to her since it seems to mean bugger all. I am at the breaking point here. I am trying to do right and stay true, but man is it ever difficult. It would be fairly easy for me to stray and pick up another chick, but I really don't want to. I have only been "with" 3 women my entire life. I am not the sleeping around type of guy, but the way I see it, if she can change, so can I.



Needsomelovin
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Don't have the answer

I hear you, outlaw.  You've been going for 3 months, mine has been over 3 years.  Witholding intimacy is not going to work for you, at least I doubt it will.  When a woman seems to have no needs, it takes away all of your leverage.  I am into metaphors.  I knew two brothers once, one was very small, the other one quite big.  The smaller one was fearless, never worried about getting hurt, had no conscience, would throw knives, etc.  He won every fight because the bigger brother never wanted to hurt anyone.  I feel like with my wife.  Our marriage can die and she wouldn't care.  Witholding intimacy means nothing to her.  Frustration at not being appreciated doesn't even begin to describe things.  How can you go anywhere with this situation?



AtHomeDad35
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Can Understand

AtHomeDad32, we sound a lot alike. After we conceived our daughter my wife basically declared a "prohibition" on sex. When she was pregnant I would push her to have sex. If I was lucky, she would maybe give in every week-n-half.
So, when our daughter was born I thought I could see the light at the end of the tunnel. But that was not true six months later and seams to careless if we have sex or not. When we do have sex, it’s like having with a blow up doll. I can’t even get her pretend to get into it like she use to before we got pregnant. I’ve tried talking to her about my needs and desires. She tells me that sex is not a need, AKA I don’t care in my mind. So I have had to resort to DIY…..I have come out and told her strait up that I was going to DIY. This did not even faze her.
I have tried seducing her but she always has an excuse: The baby will be up soon, we have a lot to do (but we did nothing that day),……etc. So, this said sex is only on her terms, from when to how we do it.
So I know how you feel and as for talking to your wife about how you are feel about your sex life, from my experience, you are walking into bees nest.



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I thought "Wife has no

I thought "Wife has no Libido,What can I do" was the only thread in this

page that is about selfish women but there are many threads in this page.

 

 



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