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I noticed in my new thread "What Does Everyone Look Like" that posting an image is an option for the first post, but it isn't an option for subsequent replies to that post. Is there a way to make it easier to post a pic? I'm not sure how people are doing it... unless they are using coding, which is not common knowledge.

Also, is there a way that Mike could sticky some of the more frequently discussed threads, such as one of the earliest from a new AHD who wanted advice from the veterans or perhaps some of the threads about the convention?




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Photos, I may be speaking

Photos, I may be speaking out of rank here, but I use BBC Code when you click Input format below your inputed response or posting material.
Put [img] http://www.yourhost.com/directory/yourimage.jpg [/img] (not real) (the [img] tags should be input without any spaces between the URL and tags, I just had to add space so the server would not look for something that's not there and leave a red x instead of my text) after you have uploaded the JPEG to your ISP. Make sure the [img] opening tag and [/img] closing tag are correct, note the slash in the closing tag. Then preview before posting. The learning curve is steep but once you do it a couple times you get it and it opens up a whole new world to posting, you can do A LOT!! That's howcome the red x is red! Read the more information about formatting link below after you expand the Input Format box.
This is how I post inline images.
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I see now. But asking the

I see now.

But asking the average person posting on these boards to take the time to notice the "input format", open it up, read the detailed description of HTML coding, wade through it all until they get to the section on images, and then to try to post a pic themselves is way too complicated. It puts the burden on the person visiting this site rather than on the site itself.

Posting a pic via HTML is quite easy it seems, but not for people unfamiliar with web programming. And since the option for uploading an image is available for the person starting the thread, wouldn't it be fair to add that option for people replying? Or is it trickier than I think?

I would really like to see buttons for italics and bolding too. Just to make it more user friendly.



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I Agree

That would make it easier to post but I am a geek who risks learning new things to be rewarded with fancy postings if that's a word; if not, Mike, can we code it in? It's really not that hard, [img] and [/img] and the address of your image is all you need!
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Check this out

This code http://vault.milehidad.com/bbc1.jpg with of course the [img] tag before http and [/img] after .jpg produces this

It's just not that hard if you post images smaller than 640x480 and again there is BBC Code to size your images but thats a lesson for another day!
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???

picture this - a hand outstretched, palm down, fingers together. Now it is running in a slow back and forth motion over the top of my noggin. I have just explained my response to technical computer jargon. (I secretly envy you...)



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Oh Paddywon

To become a Jedi poster, one must seek a Jedi mentor. Or is that to become demented? Hmmm...


Sorry Paddyman I mean paddyrat, I am just having some fun!

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Agree with Colin

Although I am a web developer by profession and although BBCode (for "b"ulletin "b"oard code, which is not HTML) has become the standard used in most online forums, it is still too much to ask the average Joe to learn to be able to do simple forum tasks.

Most good forums have original post or comment input boxes that have buttons for the most common tasks used in posting: bold, italics, hyperlinks, images, etc. I could have sworn that the prior version of this site had these buttons above the input boxes.

Mike - Does the current version of Drupal that you are using have a module that would add this functionality to the input boxes?

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thank you mr miyagi!!

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and it takes alot to get under my skin...



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Sticky posts

Back to the "would you sticky the posts"....my hope was that people would rate the posts (using the little star widget on the original post, and we'd then have an automatic "top rated" post section that would serve the same purpose. Maybe that's wishful thinking?



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What about the pics buttons

What about the pics buttons on replies? Is it possible to make it easier to add pics (and to underline, bold, and italicize)? That was a feature from the previouis version of athomedad.org that I miss.



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Oh, The Huge Manitee!

I LOVE that art! Who takes credit for creating that one?



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I'll work on it

I'll see what I can do with the pics on the replies. Some of customization that I had done previously was (temporarily) lost when I upgraded the site to new software. I just need to tweak some of the add-on stuff to work with the new site.

There's a lot going on right now. So...give me a couple of weeks on that one. If it's not back by then, please feel free to remind me.

-Mike



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Try that

Ok, I've reworked the image attachments:

1) You can still link to external images, as before. If you know how to do this, it will save us some server space, so continue to use that if you can. This works for comments and the original posts.

2) Alternately, create a post. AFTER you submit it, you'll see an "images" tab. You can upload one or several images there. They'll appear at the end of your post. This lets you create an image gallery and inline images.

3) You can add images to comments by using the "file attachments" field. Images will be displayed inline with your comments. They will not show in the preview, but will show in the post.

There are various size limits. I think that it's 640x480.

Separately, I also tried to clean up the notification emails a bit (less garbled characters, no irrelevant local stuff).

Let me know how it goes.

Now, here is some Kung Pow chicken:



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PCs are mainstream!

Quote:
"Although I am a web developer by profession and although BBCode (for "b"ulletin "b"oard code, which is not HTML) has become the standard used in most online forums, it is still too much to ask the average Joe to learn to be able to do simple forum tasks."

I just want to say that I find this to be doody. If the 'Average Joe' can't figure this out, I'm a freaking genius, and any of you who know me are probably pretty sure that is not the case.

It only takes a few minutes to learn how to use image tags, if you want to, especially in BBC. The hard part might be uploading and preparing the pictures, but with photobucket or imageshack, that's pretty easy too -- they even size it for you.

I am on a gardening forum where there are members who didn't even get computers until they were eligible for social security, and those ladies toss up pics like there's no tomorrow (and that site is so crappy we have to use html tags!).

Nice job making it easier, though, Mike.



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You can't point to the

You can't point to the people who do know how to post a pic as evidence that everybody does... or that everybody wants to take the time to learn. How many people on that other forum have never posted a pic? I'm sure there are lots more of them too, and they either don't know how or don't have the time to learn about photobucket.

Picture buttons (and bold, italic buttons) are forum standards. And they make it easier for everybody. Thanks for adding the File attachment button. It really is helpful.



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Didn't say everybody does it ...

The point I was disputing is that "it is still too much to ask the average Joe to learn to be able to do simple forum tasks." It should not be. The steps are easy. Most ISPs provide web space. It's a question of motivation, and my feeling is that if you want to be able to embed stuff in your posts, you can take an hour out of your life to figure it out. People who don't want to learn it shouldn't do it. MileHiDad's instructions are all anyone should need.

I am on a bunch of forums, and even ones with the easiest to use buttons get the same kinds of questions. One big one actually created its own forum -- 'picture posting FAQ and testing' so people could practice without clogging up the other forums. Buttons may help some beginners, but you still need to know what the tags mean to post a pic, and you still need to host the image somewhere, which still needs to be learned.

What Mike did by allowing uploads was above and beyond. Most sites can't afford to open that can of worms. Hopefully it won't be abused here.

My example of the garden forum was plenty appropriate. Even those of us in the neighborhood of 40 probably had some PC exposure in school. Computers should not be foreign to us. My friends on that forum went to schools when even school offices were totally manual. Modern PCs to them were like the switch over to horseless carriages. And the posters with the motivation learned to upload and post pictures. Sure it is something that takes some effort, but what is wrong with expecting people to expend effort to achieve benefit?

Posting pics is well within reach for the 'average Joe,' even if web designers don't bend over backwards to accommodate them, and that's all I was saying.



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Good points

I have to note that this site probably runs on a SQL database on the server, most hosting packages I have used (8)allow a 100 MB database on a server. If you inbed images in the database, it will fill up quickly and then there will be problems for this community service. Then you get into size restrictions and camera settings, my camera is set to a fairly high resolution for store reprints if the wife wants them.
I figure the guys who really want to post images will take the time to figure it out.
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I just simply respectfully

I just simply respectfully disagree with you then. Forum coding might be easy, but it's not intuitive. The average Joe who is visiting a forum (perhaps for the first time) shouldn't have to find motivation to do something simple like post a pic when there is a simpler method that doesn't require signing up to another service that they don't even know about, uploading an image, copying the code, and pasting it into their post.

This forum went from threads that had button icons that made coded posting easier to a newer system without those buttons. The request I made was just to bring back the previous functions.



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can't we all get along

Gentlemen, while spirited debate is a good thing, let's remember one thing - I'M A DUMBASS! (when it comes to computer stuff!!) I'm struggling to recall my 9th grade typing class as it is. It's OK that I'm not as knowledgable in technical stuff, and I'll pick it up as I go along. Anyway, I probably can dust your ass when it comes to home improvment (Licensed Contractor) or cynicism. So continue with the debate, no feelings hurt on this end.



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Do what you can

I'm not getting into this debate, but I wanted to say this in reference to MileHi's comments above....

If you can use an external server to host the images and just link them, please do that. It saves us some disk space here and helps me out.

If you want to use the new upload and have them here, feel free to do that.

If you notice any inappropriate uploads, use the "contact us" form or the "report as spam" link to report it.

If the uploads start to cause spam-like problems, they'll probably go away. We'll see what happens. I'm hopeful that it'll be fine.

Thanks,

Mike



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Not sure which is worse ...

Me assuming adding images is a piece of cake or you guys who assume that fancy interventions are necessary. We all sound like internet snobs.

paddyrat, a 'tag' is a notation that changes how things are displayed on the screen (in this case, anyway)

The only one relevant to this discussion is [img], as MileHi was explaining. The computer IDs a tag by the brackets.

to embed an image, you tell the computer an image is coming by typing

[img]

Now the computer will look for a url, the address of the image file. This is the most difficult part. Sizing and uploading your own images takes practice, especially to stay organized and remember where you put things. The abovementioned photobucket is a free and very easy to use 'host' (FYI, a host is computer space, connected to the internet, where files are kept for access through the internet.)

For tutorial purposes, let's post an image that's already 'hosted'.

If you right-click your mouse on any of the images in this thread, there will be an option called 'Properties.' Click that. This brings up an info box. One of the items listed is the 'Address.' Highlight that, right click, and 'copy' that address.

When I do this to the kung-pao chicken, I get this:

http://www.athomedad.org/files/testpic.jpg

when I right-click and paste. That is the address of that image file. That is the image I will post.

To tell the computer you are done with your image, you need to 'close' the tag. this is done by placing a slash in front of img, so a closing tag would be:

[/img]

If you string the bolded items together without any spaces, you get this:

and that is how you post a picture. To practice, make a post and try it, and use preview to see if it worked.

Peace.

PS -- if you didn't know, you can right click on all sorts of things to get options to cut/copy/paste/and do a lot of things that are not obvious like see the properties and even the programming of most web pages.

PPS -- What I did in my example is called 'lifting' and it is not generally a good practice to lift images from a web site and post them as your own.



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Not sure which is worse

Not sure which is worse ...
Me assuming adding images is a piece of cake or you guys who assume that fancy interventions are necessary. We all sound like internet snobs.

Neither is worse because they are both right. Posting an image is easy and having helpful buttons for posting is nice too. It's not really an argument.



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Yep ...

ticktock wrote:
It's not really an argument.

That's what 've been thinking the whole time. But while we're both right, we're also both a little wrong in that we are making assumptions and speculating on things we have no clue about (ie other people's abilities and motivations.)

I call truce.



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*Shakes hands* Truce. :)

*Shakes hands*

Truce. :)



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Thank You Jim L and everyone

Thank You Jim L and everyone else, It sounded as easy as it is. Now I just have to get some pics to where I can show them and I don't know when that will happen.

Dan



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photobucket.

Note to self, when you edit your post and add anything, it moves it from where it was to the bottom of the thread.

I use www.photobucket.com to host pictures for me that i use on different forums. It's a free service, you have your own account of pictures, and when you upload them into photobucket, it automatically gives you options to copy and paste into different types of forums. For athomedad.org, I use the IMG file. I copy and paste the code it gives me and voila (wah-lah)

I have pictures in my threads.

Just wanted to add that. It has no relevance other than adding a picture to the thread.
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yeaa!!!

Everybody's back in the sandbox and playing nice, I see. Thanks for the help, I am humble enough to accept help when I know that I need it. I'm going to practice before I start putting pictures in my posts, so beware. (no snickering from the smart kids in the front row, I see you)

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Me too!

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old dog learns new trick - NEW @ 11

Well after about 10 minutes of practice and a super easy hook-up to Photobucket (Thanks Guys), I'm finally ready to show myself (and my buddy W.)

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Are you Touching the CUP???

Just thought i would try this out, Yahoo Pictures just closed down and one of the places they would transfer your pics was Photobucket so thanks for the suggestion.

db

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