Getting baby to eat solids

sequoia
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Hello all, this is my first post here. I've been visiting the site every few days just to see what kind of discussions are going on, etc.

First, a brief intro. My name is Dan, I'm a new SAHD, been taking care of our 10-month-old daughter Audrey since April 2007. It has had its ups and downs, definitely a major adjustment after working full-time at the same job for 12 years. I still feel like a real rookie at this, but I think things are gradually improving. I absolutely appreciate this unique opportunity to take the road less traveled, as hard as it sometimes can be.

Anyway, my question has to do with getting baby to take more solids. We have been giving Audrey solids since she was 4 months old, starting with rice cereal and gradually expanding the palette to whatever fruits, veggies, meats etc. she would eat. Even now, after 6 months, the only thing she consistently keeps in her mouth are Cheerios, bits of whole wheat bread, and little slices of those Gerber "chicken sticks." Everything else - carrots, banana, peas, yams, etc. etc. - it's hit-or-miss at best.

My concern is that I may have screwed things up by focusing too much on getting her to take as much solid food, as often as possible. Now she knows that this is important to me, so she maybe uses it to "push my buttons" a bit. (A bit of background - before her 9-month appointment, I thought we were doing really well because she was taking about 30 oz. of formula per day, up from maybe 18 oz. around 6 months. Then the pediatrician said "You really want to be moving in the other direction," i.e. increasing solids and reducing formula. So per her advice we put her on something of a crash-course, reducing formula down to about 20 oz. per day and changing her feeding schedule so she would be hungriest right before solid breakfast, lunch and dinner. We have been sticking to that for the last 6 weeks or so, with some improvement overall but recently a real dramatic turnaround, so that now she is eating almost nothing consistenly except Cheerios and bread.) Anyway, I am afraid that, because this was Audrey's first major transition under my watch as primary caregiver, and I didn't want to be viewed as "failing" at my new role as SAHD (especially by my wife, who actually has been very supportive overall), I may have inadvertently created problems by focusing so much attention on it. If that makes sense. (Or maybe, Audrey is just a picky eater, like her Dad. I certainly won't eat a steak cooked beyond medium-rare, or BBQ ribs if they haven't spent at least a little time in actual wood smoke, preferably hickory...)

So beginning today, I decided to try a new approach - just put a variety of finger-foods on her tray and then walk away, go about my business, trying to be as nonchalant about it as possible. Or eat my lunch right there with her, but try to pay absolutely no attention to whether she actually eats anything, or throws most of it on the floor for the dog to eat later. If she eats, she eats, if not, she doesn't. No big deal to me either way. At least that's what I want her to think.

I've gone on way too long - and I hear her waking up on the monitor - so I'd just appreciate any advice from anyone who has gone through anything similar to this. Thanks.




KevH
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I wouldn't sweat it

As long as she's eating something and is staying within weight she's probably fine. Kids are weird, some days they will eat nothing but crackers and then will hate crackers and just want turkey meat.

By solids do you mean baby food or real food? Even at my son's first birthday we were still grinding his food up. (bad case of first child hypochondria about choking) and he will eat just about anything now.

I think you're doing fine and your idea of the buffet table is a good one so as to not turn eating into a power struggle this early in the game.

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sequoia
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I mean real food. She never

I mean real food. She never took to baby food, we think it has something to do with the texture. Although frankly, have you tasted Gerber sweet potatoes? I don't blame her for spitting that crap out. Audrey has had 8 teeth since she was about 6 months old, so she has always been able to chew pretty well. So we give her little bite-size pieces of chicken, banana, steamed apples and yams, whole peas, chunks of bread etc. (Or we combine a little bread and carrot or yam, or a little meat and peas, as she is more likely to take something she doesn't like if it's combined with something she does.) The other problem is that she never really liked eating from a spoon much. She much prefers to feed herself, or let us put food in her mouth manually. (I even tried making a pureed food blend of a little beef or chicken, peas, wheat bread and a few other ingredients, which I then froze in ice trays - but after a day or two she was spitting that out too.) So for these reasons, we gave up on pureed foods pretty early on.

My concern is that she has always been a little small (25th%) - which is no surprise since I am 5'6" and my wife is about 5'2". But since we have started this new program I'm pretty sure she has lost weight. So she may be in the 10th% by now. I'm not obsessed about these percentiles, mainly I just want to make sure she is healthy and getting proper nutrition.



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Wouldn't Sweat It Take 2

I think that you are putting way too much energy into making a problem out of nothing.

My son Ryder is below the 2 percentile mark and has been for a good part of his life (he is now 19 months old). At first it bothered me, but I quickly realized that he ate perfectly fine, and he remained on a consistent growth curve for his percentile. Remember, the percentile charts are based on averages. Therefore, SOMEONE has to make up the bottom 50%, and SOMEONE has to make up the bottom 10%. Between 10% and 25% is perfectly healthy as long as she is growing consistently on a curve appropriate for her. My pediatrician made me put Ryder on Pediasure (which is VERY expensive) to ensure that he was getting the proper nutrition (my son eats EVERYTHING), and she made me get some very painful metabolic tests done for him to see if anything was wrong with him metabolizing any nutrients or minerals, etc. All because he wasn't in the above 10% area. I kept telling her that my wife and I were VERY skinny children growing up (read "skin and bones") and that both of us had huge appetites when we were kids. She just basically ignored me. Needless to say, the tests all came back negative, so I immediately took him off the Pediasure and got a new pediatrician.

About the food and your daughter... Infants will not starve themselves. That is a known fact. They will eat if they want to, and they will not eat if they don't want to. As a previous post stated, an infant's appetite can change radically from day to day. My son on any given day can eat so much that I wonder where it is all going. On other days, he barely touches anything. That is perfectly normal. Infants instinctively know how to manage the amount of food they need. They don't really need our "guidance". Changes in appetite can be due to illness, teething, a headache, a growth spurt, feeling bloated, etc. Therefore, if she doesn't feeling like eating at a given time, don't sweat it. She will most likely be VERY hungry for the next meal and make up for it. You might also notice that some of the foods she supposedly doesn't want at some times will seem mighty tasty when she is hungrier. Also remember that infants can be notoriously picky eaters. Luckily, my son happens to not be one of those kids. He eats everything...fruits, vegetables, breads, meats, etc. I attribute some of the supposed "pickiness" of some kids' eating habits to being forced by the parents to eat. They just stop eating to test the limits. Just keep trying the same foods over and over consistently for a couple of weeks and you may find that a food "grows" on her.

I wouldn't be concerned about the loss in weight at this point. The only reason I say that is due to the fact that she was having 30 oz. of milk a day before switching to a more solids-based diet. 30 oz. of milk is a whole lot of milk, which equals a whole lot of fat. After abruptly switching her off of that large milk-based diet, I can almost fully guarantee that the amount of fat in her diet dropped considerably. Losing that consistent source of fat in her diet would lead to a loss in weight. Also, if she is almost solely eating grains now such as Cheerios and bread, remember that grains alone do not provide the essential fats and protein needed for healthy growth. This could also be definitely leading to a loss in weight, since her body is using the fat and protein stores it has to provide energy.

I would go with the buffet idea. I feed my son in courses so he doesn't make as much of a mess and so he gets to eat the better stuff before the "dessert" foods. Either way you choose to do things puts more control in the hands of the child, which is what they really want. They want to control how much they eat. Let your daughter decide what is right for her growth requirements, and then supplement some foods with proper nutrition if needed to round out her diet. I bet that her loss in weight is more in tune with her true growth curve, and you will see her level off on that curve as she gains more control over her feeding habits.

I look forward to hearing how things progress, and I hope that this note lets you know that you are not alone! Hang in there!



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This is kind of an odd

This is kind of an odd suggestion, and maybe an unpopular one, but my advice is to give your baby more fat. Seriously. You might have left those options out of your list on purpose (and if so ignore this), or maybe they aren't on the menu at all, but it's important to feed babies at that age full fat yogurt, avocodos, full fat cheese, etc.. It's counter-intuitive, but it's true. It's easy to forget that fat is an essential nutrient for our health when the opposite is promoted so intensely by our modern culture.

It's promising that she is eating blander foods rather than favoring the sweets. Here is another counter-intuitive suggestion that I resisted myself for a while, but consider using dipping sauces like mayo and ketchup for the things she doesn't prefer. I don't want to be flamed too badly by anyone on this forum for that suggestion, but I noticed that your girl likes to eat with her hands. Well, a tactile child appreciates tactile options- especially tasty ones. Speaking of tactile- start letting her use the spoon herself as well as giving her finger foods such as cheese, bananas, and avacados. I was shocked when my 12 month old daughter ate a whole apple (core and all) when I left it in the backseat for her to nibble on. You might be surprised with your own daughter's skills too... not that you should go shoving whole apples into her mouth or anything. :)

Best of luck to you. Come back and join in the discussions- glad you stepped out of the shadows.



sequoia
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Speaking of fat...

I have started giving her cheese, but so far avocado is a no-go. I picked up a bag of combined shredded cheddar and Monterey jack cheese, she seems to like that OK. I'm certainly not anti-fat; one of Audrey's favorite foods that I failed to mention earlier is salmon (specifically, wild Copper River salmon) - which has a high fat content but is also loaded with healthy nutrients.

She has totally rejected most fruits we've tried to give her - the nurse at our pediatrician's office almost guaranteed that she would gobble up canned fruit cocktail, but she spat that out almost on sight. So we were very surprised the other day when my wife was eating a nectarine and then offered Audrey a bite, she sank her teeth right in. Made a slightly perplexed face, as though she was thinking about it - but proceeded to take a few more bites. So maybe she just wants to eat like the grown-ups.

One other thing I forgot to mention - if she is distracted, for example looking around in a restaurant - she will generally eat just about anything we give her, including cauliflower, broccoli etc. So I've tried giving her a toy or something to play with when we're sitting down for our regular meals, sometimes that helps, and sometimes it doesn't.

I guess deep-down, I know she's not going to starve. It's just that sometimes this seems so much more difficult and frustrating than it should be (the solid feedings, I mean) - especially when I talk to other parents who either think it's bizarre that our pediatrician has us doing this very deliberate transition from formula to solids, or others who just find it unusual that Audrey is so selective about what she eats.

Thanks for all your helpful advice, and if anyone else has anything to add, please feel free. I appreciate it.



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Not your fault!

I want to add that if your baby does not feel like eating someting, IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT! (just like if they won't sleep or if they cry, or if they don't grow right on the 'curve'.) If you are stressing over that, wait until she gets fully mobile. You just might stroke out.

It is actually pretty easy to satisfy the basic nutritional needs of a 10-month-old. Plenty of kids make it to preschool on mostly Cheerios, some type of milk, and occasional fruits or vegetables. The variety you are providing gives her a big advantage over others.

What always worked for me was to offer tiny pieces of what ever I was eating along with some kids' food and different fruits and vegetables (one or two per meal). Eventually, I had a core group of 'go-to' foods, and it was a lot easier to make the same thing for everybody whenever possible. It was a long time ago for me, but I think at 10 months, my son was still mostly into rice cereal.

The only fruit he would ever eat was strawberries. He does not really eat vegetables, still, and he lived for a few years on Slim Jims, hot dogs, and macaroni and cheese, lol. He is seven, average size, and very athletic, and an IQ through the roof. If I messed him up with his diet, it is a good thing, because if he was stronger or smarter, I think I'd have to send him off to military school (lol). He actually liked baby foods for a while, up to about age 2, but it would be hard to find a kid with a worse toddler diet. He is finally starting to eat better, but won't eat green vegetables.

My daughter at 10 months was totally into 'adult' foods. Mostly meats, vegetables, and rice. She never realy liked junk foods, even cakes and cookies, and would rather have rice cakes for snack. She is finally starting to eat more like a kid (to me, that was important). She is nine and doing great, thin but average size, but she still does not like fruit very much.



KevH
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Tiny Tummies

You also have to remember how small their stomachs are, it doesn't really take much to fill them up.

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I wouldn't sweat it, pt. whatever...

Yeah, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

A couple things our pediatrician told us that gave us peace of mind were to remind us of the tiny size of their stomach and to look more at what they eat over a couple of days rather than their daily intake. Every child is different on what they will eat and when they are ready. (for solids, ect) Like others have mentioned here, they will not starve themselves and I hardly think the baby is playing mind games with you.

You "new approach" of eating lunch with her is a great idea! I've always felt that eating together is wonderful bonding time together. She gets to spend time with her dad. You get to spend time with her. You can set an example for her. She gets to see how lunch is done. You'll eat slower, which is healthier too! A total win-win situation!

As far as the buffet table, if you have the food already prepared, I'd say go ahead and offer it up, but don't play short order cook for your children. That will promote picky eaters and ultimately frustrate the heck out of you. Just be sure you are always offering a well rounded diet for you kids. Right now, if you have young ones, they can't choose a healthy diet, it is up to you.



sequoia
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So far, so good...

Well, she's having her lunch now, and I'm nibbling on some leftover lasagna. I don't know if she is eating any more than before, but it's definitely a less stressful process. (And slower. And messier.) Last night, my wife actually ate her dinner with the family! She usually feeds Audrey while her meal, which I painstakingly prepared, sits on the table, getting cold. Then she collapses on the sofa after putting Audrey to bed, only having had a few bites of dinner. Which frankly is what I'd been doing for breakfast and lunch too, except I didn't even attempt to eat anything...

Yes, Audrey's food is already prepared. Every 3 days or so, I steam a little batch of diced carrot, yam, sweet potato, peas, green beans, broccoli, cauliflower, apple and pear. Then I just have to spoon a little bit of everything onto a plate, along with 1 or 2 of those chicken sticks, pop it in the microwave for 15 seconds, add half a slice of wheat bread and maybe some cheese and Cheerios, maybe a little banana, and we are in business.

One thing I still can't figure out is why our "first year" baby books seem to say that at 10 months, our child should be getting something like 5 servings each (between a tablespoon and 1/4 cup) of fruits, veggies, grains plus a healthy source of protein (egg yolk, meat, cottage cheese) in addition to her milk/formula. I seriously doubt she is eating anything close to that. And also, when I told our pediatrician about how little Audrey is actually eating, she seemed genuinely surprised, as if she has never heard of this sort of thing before. Which I doubt can be true.

I guess I just have to take all that with a grain of salt, and keep on keeping on. Lunch is almost over now; there does seem to be quite a lot of green and orange food left on her tray and on the kitchen floor, while the brown foods get snapped up and devoured. But, I guess you guys are right - I can't force her to eat anything she doesn't want (although I have been able to trick her from time to time). And just regularly letting her try all these different foods will probably eventually pay off. Thanks again.



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I introduce solid food to my

I introduce solid food to my baby when he 5 month old.

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Random eaters

My nearly 4 year old is still incredibly picky. Wont eat meat of any kind, loves plain hamburger buns, loves peanut butter on spoons, but not on bread, wont touch a cheerio if you begged him to, but eats gerber bananas in the jar like there is no tomorrow. Will only eat yoplait lime yogurt, no other brand, no other flavor. He's fine. He's tall, he's healthy, and at his physical last week, the bloodwork came back as he's not anemic, he's in the 95 percentile for height and weight, and he's a normal kid.

Sounds like yours is normal too!

Except maybe for the salmon thing.

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