Wrong Expectations?

hommiette
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Hi,

 

I'd like to express my appreciation for all people who stay at home with children as I bet it is a lot of work. I'd particularly like to recognize you men out there proving stereotypes about men raising kids wrong!

Now, here's what I need some advice/obersvations about. I am a full-time working mother with a part-time doula job (only one birth a month). My partner is a stay-at-home parent, HOWEVER, he only has one of the kids one day/week (long story, but basically we pay $160/month for daycare--we were hoping he would get a job but our house was hit by a tornado the same day our son was born and by the time we moved back contruction season was over--he's a carpenter).

Anyways, I cook dinner at least 2x during the week and since he's home with our 9-month old son on Fridays, I make sure to pick up dinner if I don't cook. I cook on the weekends, usually both lunch and dinner. In the past 3 years he's been a stay at home dad, he's packed  me lunch only a handful of times. He does make me breakfast at least 4 days a week. He cleans the house, although I help out and wash the dishes about 4x/week and clean the bathroom my daughter and I share about once every other month when he hasn't done it in a while and I'd like it cleaned. He does  the laundry, but I will help every so often, especially if I am running out of clothes. I pay the bills, make the doctor/dentists appointments for the kids, keep up with the our daughter (Kindergarten) folders she brings home and anything going on at her school. I bath our 9-month old son two times a week. He also has his monthly gym membership, and goes out (and I mean out to the club at least twice a month). I breastfeed our son so I am up 3-4 times throughout the night, he gets up with our daughter at 6:30 am and gets her all ready for school so I don't have to worry about that.

Basically, I feel like duties are not even and I am overwhelmed. I feel like though he does a lot, he doesn't do what I feel I would do if the roles were reversed. It's almost as if he doesn't at all acknowledge that I WORK. When I get home, most of the time I am with the kids, reading to our daughter, feeding and preparing our 9 month old for bedtime (which he doesn't go to sleep until 9:30). Now, I've read on here the several complaints from men not getting sex from their wives, and believe me we get it on. We have sex about 3 or more times a week and I am always showing him my gratitude and appreciation especially knowing being unemployed is a hit to the ego.

Do you think it is fair for me to feel this way? How do I bring it up to him that I want him to take on more responsibilities? I keep mentioning things to him like, "I wish you would be the one to make the doc appointments" or "let's get a schedule going so I can know exactly which days I have to cook".

I love him dearly and he is very good to me. That's why I'm so nervous about being gentle in my approach that I really don't directly approach the situation at all. It's just the eveness of responsibilities that I have a problem with. I have built some resentment because I feel like he has it SO good. 4 days a week not having ANYBODY home with you while you do some chores, don't have to cook the day you have the one kid, I put our relationship first, kids second, you get your extracurricular time, c'mon!!!! Please help! Thank you.




hotsaucejon
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If he does not have the kid

If he does not have the kid and he's not doing anything to pull his weight, then yes, you absolutely have a leg to stand on in this.

From the point of view of a male, let me suggest some things. I don't see what my wife sees. I clean the house, and I'll be very proud of what I've achieved, but then my wife will get home and be irate because the house was not cleaned to her standards. I will have missed some things that she sees as important. The end result is that my wife leaves me lists of things she expects done.

Even then, though, there is one other item that bears mentioning here, and it also has to do with the male and female brain. Typically, when you see a group of females together, they are all complimenting each other. The guys, by contrast, are all insulting each other. Male groups are almost vamphirric as it relates to the feeding of energy in male groups. Males are not afraid of asking and taking. Most Females are terrified of asking for what they want, so the energy in most relationships goes one way, from female to male, and most males are not even aware of this. The female gives and gives and gives and he takes and takes and takes.... and he's going to keep on taking unless his eyes are opened. Thankfully, with some of us, someone at some point did open our eyes to the fact that we can't relate to our female friends the same way as our male friends. That is really just an aside to the point I'm making, which is, if you want something from him you have to be able to approach him on a male level.... which is to say you have to ASK FOR WHAT YOU WANT. There is a very good chance that the man in question is not doing what you want because he does not know what is being expected of him.  It is not fair to him to get upset and bent out of shape if he is not doing things that you have not asked him to do.

You can't be passive-aggressive about it either. “I keep mentioning things to him like, ‘I wish you would be the one to make the doc appointments’ or ‘let's get a schedule going so I can know exactly which days I have to cook’.” How often are you then sitting down with a pen and writing out said schedule? You can wish all you want, but unless you say, “please make the doctor’s appointment”, he is not going to do it. It is simply not how males are programmed. You have to ask the same way that his best friend asks for stuff. Note: I did not say his BOSS, I said his best friend. That’s the dynamic you are trying to strike. You have to be willing to ask, and you have to be willing to ask for most things at least twice--and make sure he is in the room with you, and make sure you have eye contact and the television is OFF. Hell, for that matter make sure the radio is off too.

I’m not trying to say you should boss him around. I’m also not trying to let him off the hook. My point is that one of our biggest complaints as guys is that the women in our lives won’t straight up ask us for what they want, but they have no problem getting mad at us for not doing it.

 



TexasSAHD
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I agree with hotsauce. You

I agree with hotsauce. You definitely have a right to be upset. He's not pulling his weight. I can understand you being nervous about talking to him, but it's something you have to do.

Before we married, our pastor sat down with my sweetheart and I and gave us several pointers which have really stuck with us. The first point is to always fight fair. Don't ever use words like "You do this to make me mad", instead say something like, "When you do this i feel this." Don't accuse, just explain how you feel. The second point was to NEVER make assumptions. I have to remind my wife frequently that just because she THINKS I should do something, does NOT mean I know she wants me to do it. She assumes I'm a mindreader. Don't do that. Third point was to never raise your voice, but that even if you do, yelling is better than not communicating at all.

I say all that to emphasize the need for communication. Like Jon said, you can say you wish something will happen, and he hears that you wish something will happen. That's a far cry (in manspeak) from him hearing that you actually want something to happen right now.

Be respectful and considerate about it, but ask him to sit down at the table when the kids are asleep and tell him you would like to talk to him about sharing the household duties. Tell him how you feel. Then put the ball in his court and ask him if he can take some of the pressure off of you. Then ask if you can both put together a schedule and a chore list.

My philosophy is that my wife brings home the bacon and I cook it. We chose this lifestyle together and we each have our own responsibilities. The trick is to lay those responsibilities out clearly together.

Douglas
Expedition Fatherhood



jer3173
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he doesn't do enough

When I first stayed home on family leave my infant was in daycare and my 7 yr old in school, during that time I painted several primary rooms of the house so it was time well spent. Then I stopped working and we stopped daycare. I take care of reading to and teaching the baby, all house cleaning, laundry, dishes, yardwork, vacation planning, anything with the dog, cut coupons, put out trash/recycling and do some clothes/food shopping. I do have some free time during the day from the kids but I may do any of the things listed. My boys are now 1 and 8. We usually split who gives the baths and cook together on the weekends or go out. My wife is gone from 8am to 10pm M-F, she works then has a personal trainer and kickboxing on several nights. I never plan on her seeing the boys before their bedtime. I have too much to do but I am more particular about how things should be and often redo things that I can't stand how they were done. I also, after one full year, have things on schedules that I no longer need to think about. I was very clear after my divorce upon meeting my current wife that I will not be told what to do and when, I tend to go above and beyond when the mood strikes and we've never had a fight on any subject after over 4 yrs together. I would recommend probably both of you making a list of what you think the other should be doing and compare the lists until you can agree on what's reasonable. In my first marriage I had my first son, worked full-time overnight and still took care of everything as well as paying all the bills. At least now I do not pay hardly any bills, and I don't have to worry about going to work but I do have 2 kids everyday. The hard part now about being at home is that I find it almost impossible to relax because there is always more that needs to be done. I hope you can easily work it out so you feel things are more reasonable.



omahahomedad
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You are being a little unfair

I think you are being a little unfair. You said, "I feel like though he does a lot, he doesn't do what I feel I would do if the roles were reversed." That is part of the problem; he is not doing what YOU would do. Well, he isn't going to do what you would do... he's not you! Men and women have a different definition of what "clean" means. Women sometimes forget that fixing up things around the house are part of the household chores. Men often realize that women want things done a certain way and so don't do them since they will be criticized for doing it wrong.

And remember, for some men, not working is very difficult to deal with. Men believe their masculinity is tied directly to providing financially for their families. For some men, not working can cause depression and depression in men is a lot more difficult to recognize because we are pretty good at hiding it.

Now, I agree with you that he could do more to help out. Be honest with him like you are with us here. Tell him you would like him to do more around the house so you are not as tired and can have more free time with him and the kids. Discuss what things he would like to do and then do not criticize him if he does them differently. Are the clothes put away in the right drawer but folded in a way you don't like? The clothes got put away so that is a success!

In our relationship, I do almost all the household chores as well as wrangle four kids but there are some things my wife likes done a certain way. Those are her chores. The rest are mine and if she doesn't like it, she can do them. Guess what? She never criticizes me because she would rather ignore it than have to do it. We are happier and the kids have a less stressed mom.

Al Watts President, Daddyshome, Inc. - The National At-Home Dad Network www.daddyshome.org



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