We ( republicans ) can almost count on McCain winning
Romney is outa here and Huckabee doesn't have the good juju to get anywhere.
What do you Democrat type fellas want to happen in your party? Best case scenario?
Same question different thread ( Political )
TT thanks for playing
you are the man
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I see it slightly different.
Best case scenario is Obama wins and chooses Edwards as his running mate.
McCain is a more moderate Republican than a lot of Republicans would like, but they will definitely get behind him if Clinton is our nominee. Also, since McCain is widely liked by independents and Clinton is despised by many a Democrat, I assume that he would easily defeat Clinton. Contrary to Clinton, Obama has proven that he is able to draw much more of the independent vote than either Clinton or anyone in the current Republican line-up. He has also proven that he can bring Republicans over to his side. Therefore, our best chance is with Obama, but I think it will still be a tight race. I am not happy that McCain has essentially won the nomination on the Republican side because I think Clinton or Obama would have definitely defeated Romney or Huckabee. However, if the Republicans pull out another win, I would rather have McCain in there than any of the others by far.
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I don't care...
who gets the nomination (although Obama would have a better shot than Clinton in the general election) what concerns me is that this will drag on too long. Democrats have an uncanny ability to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory. If this turns into a brokered convention or isn't resolved until summer then....we might have trouble. So with that in mind I'd like to see Obama take every primary for the next month.
Ciaalum, how do you feel about McCain? Who would you like for VP?
McCain
Out of all the runners I like him the best. It will be a good thing ( If elected ). I feel he will not just yank us out of the war, but back us out
gradually. We don't need to have these terrorists knocking on our doors. They will come if we just pull out. They will look at it as we are weak and we are ready to be punished for thinking the way that we do.
Don't get me wrong either I DO NOT feel that if the democrats get in to office they will rip the troops out of the middle east. I just feel him being a Vet he can relate to what is going on.
Rudy Giuliani could make a good VP.
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VP
So should McCain pick a "conservative" to energize the base or pick a moderate to pull in more independents and right wing Dems? What happens if he picks someone other than a straight white christian male? Elizabeth Dole? Mel Martinez? Larry Craig? Joe Lieberman!?
In a two horse race I think McCain will beat either Clinton or Obama handily unless he picks someone who is seen as too right wing that independents really can't stomach as a possible President.
TT
I think we will end up with a Mixed ballot McCain / Lieberman.
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oh, Kevin...
Here I was just getting to know you and your crazy wit and to find out you're (gasp) a republican. After essentially 25 years of Republican control, I personally have had enough of selfish, greedy, and condescending governing of this country. Right wingers have totally misrepresented the interests of every american in that time frame and have succeeded in snowing people into believing just about anything. This so-called "War on Terror" is a prime example of misleading the people. While I agree that 9/11 was an abomination and those responsible should be brought to justice (in a biblical sense, mind you) "terrorist" attacks on the American people have more to do with our Foriegn Policy (especially trapsing around in the middle east protecting our other national interest - oil) than it does with destroying our American way of life. People like Bin-laden have been upset with the US ever since we have placed a military presence in the Middle East since the end of WWII (to accomplish what exactly??). I am more afraid of Domestic Terrorism than I am of the right-wing definition of Global Terrorism. There is no easy solution for exiting Iraq, and certainly an "oops, my bad" isn't going to cut it, but withdrawing troops ASAP certainly will go a long way to quell some of the violence and mistrust aimed at the US.
What we battle is the perception of US policy from their perspective, not ours. History has proven time and time again that imperialism really doesn't work and most countries of this world see the US as trying to "muscle in" on their way of life. This country has too many domestic problems to try and figure out before we "impose" on others. That being said, I hoped that John Edwards could've had a bigger draw and been a factor. His message of focusing on what is broken here really rang my bell and I can only hope that the Dems can incorporate his vision somehow and close the gap between them and the Republicans. Left to basically two choices, I think Obama makes a better choice than Clinton, (not that I don't mind a woman in the White House) because I really don't trust her. We'll be forever cleaning up the "Bush Experiment," so whoever wins really needs to distance themselves from the past 8 years and prove to the world we're more friends & neighbors than bullies & adversaries.
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Some of my thoughts
The only thing I could get behind Clinton on is her idea that child custody laws in this country are positively archaic and they need to be reformed.
McCain scares the ever loving piss out of me for a few reasons. Aside from the "100 years in Iraq" comment (Speaking as a former soldier and Infantryman, this is a bad idea. Speaking as a lifelong student of history, this is a monumentally stupid idea for too many reasons to bother listing.), there's his past actions that I take issue with. He continues that he has a problem with "gooks" and will never forgive them. While I can never even begin to image the horrors he endured at the hands of the NVA in the Hanoi Hilton, I really don't want someone in the White House with the level of hatred in their heart. Our national reputation is already damaged to the point that it will take a long time for that to change in the eyes of the world, we don't need someone leading this country (yes I know the President is really little more than a figurehead and that Congress really has all the power) that has that kind of bigotry still inside them.
Back in 2000, McCain's big platform was to cut "pork barrel spending." One of the programs on his list was the Civil Air Patrol. The Civil Air Patrol is an all volunteer auxiliary of the US Air Force that since six days before Pearl Harbor has provided a number of services to the nation, among them emergency services and disaster relief. Their volunteers receive no compensation, and little in the way of federal money on the grand scale. At the time of the primaries back then, I'd given over eight years of my life to service to this organization, and was still on active duty to boot. His proposed "axing" of this organization (and others) struck a chord with me, and I've never supported the man since. Good thing too, had McCain won the ticket, things would be remarkably different. The first aircraft allowed in the skies over the Twin Towers on 9-11 (aside from the USAF aircraft flying CAP [Combat Air Patrol]), was a Civil Air Patrol Cessna 172 of the New York Wing tasked to fly observers to view and access the damage caused that day from the air.
Huckabee, and Romney for that matter, scare the crap out of me because of their ultra-religious ideals. Huckabee more so than Romney, but either would be a bad idea in that respect. Cliton could've won against either of them though.
In my perfect world, Obama wins. I sincerely hope he does. He's the only candidate that I can see myself voting for (although I will for Hill-dog if absolutley necessary, but I'd rather not) and I agree with most of the stances on the issues he's addressed. I could see an Obama-Clinton ticket, but I think Obama-Edwards would be the better one.
I've never voted a party, always the person. But there was a question posed during the Clinton/Obama debate the other night I found to be incredibly profound. The question was posed by a 38 year old woman who asked Clinton how can she stand for change, when the woman who submitted the question had never voted in an election without a Clinton or a Bush on the ticket.
Makes you think, don't it?
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This is why I love you guys
the truth happens and alive and well here on this site....Politics get everyone charged up.
I like hearing the hows and whys of how you all feel.. I get more from it than sitting down and reading about it on MSN or watching CNN..
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I have to second Randy and
I have to second Randy and Paddyrat on their posts. CIA...you seem like a nice guy, but when you said "Rudy Giuliani could make a good VP", I could literally feel the bile leaping from the deepest recesses of my stomach. The only thing I'd nominate Guiliani for is permanent retirement. He scares me even more than Huckabee. In light of his terrific decision to put his emergency command center in the World Trade Center, maybe as Vice President he'd decide to make his emergency "undisclosed location" a minefield in Iraq...
That said, if McCain DOES pick him, I'd say that the democratic nominees ads should consist of little more than shots of the many times Guiliani has chosen to dress in drag. Run the ads in the Bible Belt 24/7...
I do want to add that a very good friend of mine has been touting McCain for years, and of all of the Republican candidates, I respect him the most. I hope he reverts to his straight-talking ways as the year progresses, and that there will be some real substantive debates on the issues facing this country.
To sum up...Obama/Edwards 08!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sorry Poppa
I hope me being a Republican has not put a damper on this post. Like I said before, after I thought about it I put one of the Democrats as his running mates Joe Lieberman .
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Well the point about
Well the point about Lieberman is that he is an independent now not an actual Democrat.
I think a McCain/Lieberman ticket could be great for foreign policy - they have nothing to prove on security and so wouldn't have to waste time on the macho posturing that GWB loves so much and are less likely to be rushed into military action than a president who might want to prove s/he isn't afraid to bomb a few villages. Also they would have a much better chance of brokering a deal over Israel/Palestine than anyone else.
Personally I think McCain should pick Mel Martinez and vacuum up Florida and a fat chunk of the Hispanic vote although that might piss off enough people to get a serious anti immigration candidate running from the right and guarantee a Clinton victory.
Running Mate
I'm in the Obama-with-Edwards-as-a-running-mate camp, but on the other side, I think McCain has to pick a conservative to appease all the arch-conservatives who can't stand him right now. The name I've heard mentioned is Mississippi governor Haley Barbour. If he picks someone like Lieberman or Guiliani I think Ann Coulter's head might explode!
NVM
I looked and Martinez was not a citizen at birth. Are there any other plausible Hispanic Republicans?
I don't think McCain owes his party anything. Having Hilary or a "muslim" on the ticket will be enough to get the evangelicals out to vote. On the other hand having a "conservative" like Huckabee will drive away independent voters and democrats who don't like Hilary or think Obama is too inexperienced or soft.
re: Sorry Poppa
No worries, many of my best friends are Republicans (God knows why...;))
It wasn't your conservative leaning ways that gave me pause, it's the thought of Guiliani (shudder) ever being in charge of anything again. Even his own children aren't big fans...
But there aren't any muslims
I am so sick to death of hearing that thrown out about Obama. I know every here knows that he is not now, nor has ever been a Muslim, but that non-sense gets thrown out my every conservative in this state. Alabama sucks in that, and in a lot of other ways. I'm still amazed, and thrilled, that Obama carried this ass backwards state.
But, back to the question at hand... What about a McCain/Richardson ticket? Could easily sway a lot of the Hispanic and independent votes I'd think.
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Muslim
Obama is a member of the United Church of Christ (UCC). He has never been a muslim.
I don't understand why it's being used as a "dirty word" anyway. Muslims are very good people. I have been fortunate in life to have met and socialized with many wonderful people who just happen to be of the Muslim faith.
It's so simple-minded to think that being Muslim has anything to do with what some other really bad people, that use their faith as an excuse, are doing. That's like saying all Christians are evil or something dirty just because Hitler or Mussolini claimed to be Christian.
Edwards
I think it's more to do with the fact that if given a choice between Edwards and Clinton, most'll choose Clinton. It reminds me of that episode of South Park where the school has to vote between two mascots because the old one (a cow) was deemed offensive by PETA. The choices were a turd sandwich or a giant douche.
It's really profound when you think about it.
-Will
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Edwards
Edwards' populist argument really resonates with a lot of working class people. Even though he is loaded himself, his simple roots and talk of championing the problems of the poor and hard working middle/lower middle class sounds great to people who are struggling.
With the rise of the rust belt and loss of industrial/union wage jobs, the middle class is slowly disappearing. The socioeconomic gap is really growing. The upper middle class is managing to hold on to the coat tails of the wealthy, but the old "middle middle" doesn't exist anymore. They have all slipped to lower middle class and poor now, whether they admit/realize it or not.
If you don't believe me, just ask retailers. If you are not high end boutique, then you are Wal-mart.
Edwards knows who these people are and he knows how to get them to listen. Everything else about him is pretty weak. He doesn't have experience or great intellectual power, but he sings a sweet song.
What is the difference between Obama and Clinton?
This really smart kid explains the difference quite well: http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/video-interviewer-picks-the-wrong-obama-supporter-to-try-to-railroad/
Who Is Barack Obama?
Current Polls
JohnGilroy wrote:
In a two horse race I think McCain will beat either Clinton or Obama handily...
From CNN.com:
"A CNN poll, conducted by the Opinion Research Corporation February 1-3, shows Clinton three points ahead of McCain, 50 percent to 47 percent. That's within the poll's margin of error of 3 percentage points, meaning that the race is statistically tied.
A Time magazine poll, conducted February 1-4, also shows a dead heat between Clinton and McCain. Each was backed by 46 percent of those polled.
Sen. Barack Obama believes he can do better, arguing "I've got appeal that goes beyond our party."
In the CNN poll, Obama leads McCain by 8 points, 52 percent to 44 percent. That's outside the margin of error, meaning that Obama has the lead.
And in the Time poll, Obama leads McCain by 7 points, 48 percent to 41 percent -- a lead also outside of the poll's margin of error of 3 percentage points."
McCain is going to have to do a lot more than pick the perfect running mate to win "handily".
Randy
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