Having a hard time...

Trip6
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Howdy. I guess I should say that I'm not having a hard time with my son (he's six months old), from what I gather he's pretty normal and the two of us have a pretty decent routine going. What I'm having a hard time dealing with is being a stay at home dad.

See up until he was born I had a job that I loved. I was a bouncer at a bar. I was known around town, I had friends, I had places to go. Now I'm at home all day, everyday with the baby. See my wife works nights on 12 hour shifts so I'm home alone with the boy from 7pm to 7am, at which point my wife needs to go to sleep so she can get to work at night again. We also moved to be closer to her family (I don't have any family members outside of my wife and kid) so now I don't even have any friends around.

Now I like taking care of my son, he's great, and I'm actually really good at it which was something I was scared of. What is driving me nuts is that I no longer have an identity. My son isn't old enough to really go do things with and because of my wifes schedule there are times where literally days will pass without me having an actual conversation with an adult. I get really depressed, sometimes to the point that at night I'll lay him down for sleep and snuggle him in, then once he's out I spend an hour sitting in the living room staring at the carpet almost in tears.

Now I've tried taking the attitude of "I'm a dad and a good one, that's who I am now, that's my identity". The problem is that there is no recognition. All my wife notices is that she doesn't have to take care of the baby and all her family thinks is that I'm some sort of a bum because I stay at home while my wife works... I guess they don't consider the fact that she makes $25 an hour and if I was working instead we'd be homeless.

I've tried talking to my wife about it but she's not the nicest nor most understanding woman in the world so all I get back is "fine then you go work and I'll stay home" in the worst possible tone.

I guess I just don't know how to deal with being so lonely and depressed. Any tips?



ticktock
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Sorry, man...

Here are tips that got me through some depressing times...

1. Start a local playgroup; you can do that here easily. Or do a search for one. Meeting other Dads will make you feel a lot less isolated. If there are no Dads (where do you live?) then join a Moms group.

2. Get out of the house during the day. Go see a movie, a ballgame, a zoo, a museum. Just because your kid is not old enough to walk doesn't mean you can't enjoy life with him in tow.

3. Go excercise. I walked to a nearby graveyard (quiet area) and jumproped every day when my daughter was a baby. Now I'm a member of the Y with free daycare. Some times I get in the lap pool and just float.

4. Schedule sex. Schedule dates. Find a babysitter and go out together.

5. Start reading books and listening to NPR podcasts and radio. I do whatever I can to cling to the adult world. The more insulated I become in a home of babies all day, the more I need to connect to something intelligent.

6. Give yourself at least one evening a month to go out and get a beer or see a concert.

7. Remember that your ego is keeping you from relaxing. I can say this because I am coming from a similar perspective. Having kids will eventually shift your focus away from your own sense of identity toward your kids. Look back at being a bouncer and think about how unimportant the job is compared to being a father.

8. Reinvent yourself. Find a new passion that you can do while parenting. Cooking and cleaning would be a good start, but maybe you've had a hobby you've always wanted to try. Do that.

9. Realize that your wife is exhausted and jealous. She's having her own issues on the role reversal. That doesn't help your situation, but if she hasn't told you yet- she might be harboring resentment that she can't help. What kind of identity can she possibly have working twelve hour shifts? She doesn't want to hear about it because she feels it too, and that may be a reality you have to settle for.

10. Stop watching TV. Take it outside and bury the thing. Your kids will be better off without it anyway.
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matt.redsquirrel
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It's a knife in the gut

for me to say this, but ticktock is right and sounds pretty smart. We also moved to be closer to my wife's family and it's been tough. We've been here about 9 months now and I've made a few parent friends, mom's and dad's. The playgroup's are non-existent here and I've tried a couple of times to get one going, but it's hard to get other's to commit. Get outside and explore your new place. Go to all the local shops and talk up the owners. Half the stores downtown here (small southern town) know me and my kids now, and it's made a huge difference. Being a part of the community has really helped. Anyway, good luck. I'm sure you'll get a several responses with some excellent advise.

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Great advice so far

I'll also add that you should frequent this site. We're all in the same boat together!



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One more thing

And some folks may disagree with me on this- but if it gets too bad why not call your doctor and look into taking an antidepressant for a period of time. You're going through a hell of an adjustment. I'll admit that shortly after our daughter was born I had to go on one- I felt horrible that this was supposed to be the most exciting and inspiring time of my life and I was completely miserable/tired/depressed/confused! I just needed a little something extra to help with the adjustment. In no time I was back on my feet (and shortly after decided to be a SAHD).



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Hard Work

It's a difficult thing to come out and tell stranger what you did Trip6. I hope you know that contacting us fellow dads is a bold move and a step toward a new definition of self. All the advice TickTock gave is great. I take antidepressants but I have agoraphobia and a tremendous amount of depression and anxiety that go with it. I have always been a home body (although I have driven and backpacked all over the country oddly enough) but being a stay at home dad is harder than I thought it would be, the reason being that you are with someone who needs your full attention, 24/7. Weekends are OK but your wife, my wife, all our partners, need time off from their work too. I find it draining to have my daughter constantly at my elbow.

I know how you feel, and I say that without any irony or condescension. I used to know Joel and Ethan Choen by first name and rode the subway with them. Now? I go to the store to get the best deals on household items and haven’t worked in the “biz” for almost three years. But…and here is the rub. I chose to be here. My daughter is a wonderful ebullient girl who is constantly given praise and complements on how sweet and energetic she is. She is growing up fast and I have had the honor of watching her do so. Admittedly at the expense of who I am and what I want but you can find ways to feel good about yourself. Try not to follow the “I’m a Dad now,” road. Think of yourself as a father who loves his kids and that’s it. Remember it isn’t forever.

As to a doc, I would recommend two things. One, find a psycopharmocoligist/psychiatrist for advice on meds rather than you Primary Care doc. A psychiatrist will also be able to provide a small amount of psychotherapy or recommend someone who can devote a whole hour to the practice. They will also have a better understanding of the drugs and their side effects. You may not need/want an anti depressant you may need a beta blocker or a situational anti anxiety like atavan. Second, and this is a little stranger, ask around for a hypnotherapiest. They aren’t just for weight loss. It has no side effects and a good hypnotherapiest will have the time to talk to you and make sure you are getting the help you need. Some psychologists offer hypnosis so ask around. Drugs like SSRI drugs should be the last tool in the box. You may not need them but don’t feel defeated if you want to try them. They are there to help, not make you feel bad.

Playgroups are a good way to meet other people and get out of the house. Your local library should be offering story time etc you can look their first. You are always welcome here.

~Jonathan

PS If you are in NYC I can make great recommendations for all the things mentioned above.

Be Seeing You.



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I can relate...

I also had the mindset that my son (4 months) was too young to go do anything with but I have gradually realized that I need to get out and do stuff. I have started going for walks and taking him with me to work out. There are some parks nearby that I need to go to before the summer 100's kick in. I have heard that is also a way to meet other parents and possibly get a play group together or invited to one. I have not found any Dad playgroups yet and may have to start one or go to Mom groups. As far as the In-laws go they have thought I was a bum from day one. It has never mattered where I worked or what I did. My wife told me that I never had a chance from the get go. I just accept it now and don't let it bug me like it used to. My father-in-law is a retired Army colonel so he is set in his ways to say the least. They have no clue how much money my wife makes. Not wanting our son in daycare was the main reason for me staying at home but when your wife makes almost five times what you make...we did not need to get out the calculator. Another thing I try to remember is that my wife and I are comfortable with our decision and that's all that matters. Stay strong brother!



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Ditto

I echo what has already been said. You have had a huge jolt to your lifestyle. I would like to add that the first 6 months of a childs life are the most difficult, especially the first one. I think you will start to see you little guy start to turn some developmental corners that are going to make the whole experience more enjoyable (sitting, crawling, walking, eating solid foods on own, communicating, playing on own, etc...). It only gets better from here.

You will find this site very helpful in coping. Check it often and use it to vent by posting often.

If your situation is bringing you to tears when you are on your own, then I also think you may need an antidepressent to get you through a tough situation. There is no shame, regardless of what Tom Cruise says (I hate that guy).

Welcome to the site.



shortyflow
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found this site this morning

found this site this morning and it feels great. its like a 12 step meeting. I'll just keep coming back



JandJinAZ
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exactly

exactly



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Blogging Helps

Writing used to be a very isolating endeavor. But I was in a serious depressed funk about a month ago and I just started writing and writing, and sharing what I was writing with total strangers. Writing in a blog makes writing a very social enterprise.

I'm not saying you'll find some deep friendships or anything if you start writing. But it helps to share things, and it's a way to feel less isolated in those times when you are alone with your thoughts during nap time.

It's a hobby that doesn't require anything you don't already have.

But definitely get your ass outside for a couple of hours every damned day. Get a backpack, stick your kid in it, and go walking around your town.

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KevH
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Get out of the house!

Do anything but sit at home. The kid doesn't care what you do right now so walk in the park, go to a matinee, find a group (f no dads try a mom's group, but it might take a few tries to find one that welcomes you)

I don't know what kind of bars you worked at but are they places you can go for lunch to chat it up with your friends?

I'm Not a Slacker



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Loss of your Identity

I always felt this was the hardest part of being an at home dad. Most men identify themselves with their work. If you dont believe me, think about the usual first question asked when us guys first talk. (What do you do for a living?). That being said, it is time to realize you are more then a job. Everything that was said above is great advice. Just try to take your mind off it. And get out and do stuff. I went through the feeling of identity loss thing when I first started staying home, getting out and taking my daughter for a walk was great therapy. After a few months, who you "are" will take on a new meaning, with more important roles. Number one being your child's first hero(role model). Being an at home dad isnt easy. Besides the amount physical work there is also alot of emotional stresses that come with it. Try not to take to much what people think and say to heart. Most don't know or understand. I have seen about every side of this one. From "I don't know how you do what you do" to "the lazy bum" scenario. Just blow it off as to someone who doesnt know what it is like to walk a step in your shoes.
Since as at home dads we are a minority, I do definatly reccommend coming to this webpage to connect with other A.H.D Try to get involved the conversations, I wish I would of sooner.



jpod00
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Agreed

All the above is spot on advise. They just forgot one thing. THE CONVENTION!!
Really. Get out the budget, see if there is any way for you to make it happen, and then you'll have this terrific event to anticipate.

The fact that you were able to identify what was going on with you, and gather the stones to find this site and post it all, is enough to know that you will get through the hardest part. The best news is that you may (and very likely will) someday suddenly find yourself not only secure in your place, but damn happy to be there.

Keep coming back, there are a ton of guys here ready and willing to pitch in. This is our Village.

Jim
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Dad to Cole, Luke & Trev



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Sorry

Sorry to hear about unwated external stressors to an already stressful job. There is a reason that women started a movement to get them out of having to be a Mom. It hasn't worked all the way as wanting to be home and be a dad isn't as accepted as one would think. Many men feel it unmasculine somehow. I can't tell you why but men have scoffed at me and I've been called "faggot," on more than one occasion. I don't know why playing with my daughter at a playground is worthy of being called a "faggot," but there are many things I have encounterd as an At Home Dad I haven't a clue about.

There is a lot of good advice here. a playground is the best place to start. I live in New York City so I have lots of choices but not everyone does. I also host a playgroup but that is tireing haveing people over and wathing my daughter at thesame time. But, it gets me cred as a commited father and member of the comunity.

Be Seeing You.



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You have a lot on your

You have a lot on your plate, with the baby, the move and the wife working long, late hours. The guys above all have good ideas.

Even if you don't FEEL like it, get out with the baby and go. Walk the 'hood. Drive to see nothing. Go to a park. Just get out of the house.

Good luck and come back soon

Mike S
Austin TX



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Hnag in there

Hi,
I know from my personal experience that the first half year to about three-quarters is a very difficult time (for both men and women) being at home. It's gets better in so many ways. If you're like me, we're pretty lucky to have help when our spouses come home. I had a routine established when the boys were very young and they had somewhere to go everyday of the week, i.e., parks, storytimes, beaches, malls and plazas. It keeps things fresh, you get to be a regular at certain places and that's always good for support.

Be strong...



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I'm with TickTock

Great post. TickTock is right on.



PVDad
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My wifes a Nurse...

Your post really hit a nerve with me. My wife's a nurse and works 4 12 hour shifts (9a to 9p) then works two 8 hour days at a local clinic. Even if we wanted to, we can rarely schedule dates and so on. But TickTock is on spot with everything. I really started to tank a couple of months or so after I quit my job and stayed home. I didn't realize how much I missed just driving to work...how quiet it was and how much I used to think about things. Somewhere along the way, I started reaching out to people and I eventually found a sweet spot. It's a long road, though. You really need to keep thinking forward...don't regress and think back. And, why should you? You really are in a unique place in your life...heck, what you do for your kids is unique historically speaking.

But, I have to say this: there's something about staying home "bell to bell" with your kids...hitting 5pm or so...my nerves really start to fray. I have a 1yo and a 2.5 yo...enough said. Not having help makes it extremely difficult to ever find some relaxation. I'm digressing but I understand your predicament.

So, I'm not going to repeat the good advice...just hang in there and stay focused on the value your provide to your kids. The ancillary people aren't important in this way...you're not raising them to be good people.



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Already a lot of good advice here.

Figure out what you want to do, what's best for you, your wife and child with all things considered, involve your wife, make a list of all the options, narrow it down, make plans and time tables, talk it out together and choose, do it and stick to it.



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TickTock, You Rock!

Great advice, my man!

and the other things that the guys have added I would've mentioned as well. JPod is right, if you can make it to the At Home Dad's Convention, I highly recommend it too. I went when my first child was just four months old (almost 8 years ago) and learned about how to deal with the issues you are currently facing. I met some great people, some who became my best friends. I learned a lot about myself and who I am as a father. Shared some laughs and heard some great stories.

If you want to pick up a good book on the subject, I'd recommend Peter Baylies' The Stay-At-Home Dad Handbook.

Good luck, and remember: You are in good company. We've either been through it or are still there and know we can come to athomedad.org and find some great advice and some good laughs. We may be scattered across the country (and in Canada and even beyond), but you'll find a pretty tight knit group here.

I wish you well!

Brian



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It is tough

I have experienced most of all the things that have been written about in this post. The advice is good. I have also found that working at my church with stuff I can do to be helpful. There are many people who just won't get it, but there are those special folks who will acknowledge the important job you have. Why should we give good money and time for someone else to raise our children.

I have been home for three years now with my youngest son. It has been the toughest work I have had to do. Patience that I thought I had was in short supply. I have had to dig deep to find the will not to hit or yell when the kids just don't listen. That doesn't mean I never yell, just not as much as I had in the beginning. One girl and two boys is my crew. My wife has the better paying job and does work long days. It still bugs me at time when I have to be the maid, chef, bottle washer, bad guy, etc. etc. There are times when I get the recognition for what I do. But the ego of who I am gets set aside most times. That in it self leads to looking for some kind of validation other than at home. This can be the wrong road to travel as it could lead to break up of marriage or partnership. I deal with much of my depression by doing projects that give me sense accomplishment. Being online and finding websites like this one also help. It is amazing what getting the thought out of your head and getting feed back from others can do. I now do more things with my kids. In the fall my youngest will go to preschool. I look forward to this and am saddened. The time has gone so fast. I plan to be the parent who is there when the bus drops them off so they are not alone or with non family member. I like being at home most days, there are those times I just want to ship them off for being bad. But in the end ours just is like the under appreciated mother. We are raising the next generation of human beings who will run our world. Yes we do make a difference everyday, even when we don't think we do!
Keep smiling and stay sane!



Cos
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spot on, all the way around

to say that the typical male's identity has a lot to do with his job is an understatement. i've gotten into many a conversation, unusually heated, when trying to make that point and have often used that same example: what's the first thing out of a guy's mouth when he meets somebody? "So, what do you do for a living?"

i battle with this exact thing as my fulltime SAHD status looms in the coming weeks. right now wifey is home, i'm wrapping up as much as possible before taking leave and figuring out what i want to do. the main problem that has developed for me is this: i started my own business and have worked very hard on it for 10 years, the past 5 being a full time effort. i planned on reaching a point where the business was successful enough to "take a back seat" and welcome a position as a SAHD. sounded great. well the baby came in March and my business basically never worked out. there were several close calls along the way and more than enough glimmers of hope to keep me striving to build the business. the past couple of years have been brutal and now the baby is here. so now i'm looking at this business i've "built" .. this career, this job .. as a total waste of time. baby is here and that's my new job .. can't help but say that now and i realize there is plenty of advice to not say it that way. the in-laws have always known me to be building my business but since i never found success they've always thought i was a schlepp and i can deal with that.

the struggle becomes not only the loss of my identity but that i've lost so much time to "live" .. my entire 20's were spent trying to build a career that's basically worthless now. so it's a big struggle and i improve daily with it. and it just ends up sucking quite often because one would hope that this would be the happiest time of your life but yet you're stuck feeling guilty about feeling selfish. its tough, no doubt.

i'm a hugely social person however all my friends are troublemakers. the crowd i desire to hang out with isn't compatible with being a married guy and my wife doesn't enjoy that company for reasons of her own and other very obvious reasons: other singles, specifically ladies. i feel center circle in this group of friends but now "i'm not allowed" because it just creates more and more drama.

loss of identity, loss of friends, loss of career ... these are all things we have dealt with and remain dealing with to this day. however .. at risk of cliche: every time i look into my baby's eyes ......... blah blah blah.

keep that head up Trip6 .. and to the rest of you, and to myself. go out there and kill a hobby! i recently CRUSHED a personal goal of mine for running a half marathon. i set out to finish below 1:50 and beat it by several minutes. find that outlet and rock it.

peace, ya'll



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