Sexist Stigma Indeed.

New No.2
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So…
I’m at the store buying diapers today when a woman shouts out, “You know how to buy diapers?” I looked up to see the beaming, if not condescending, face of a woman filled to the gills with self satisfaction. I smiled and nodded. “Good for you Dad!” She turned and walked off. What am I a trained monkey?

I went back to reading the labels of the training pants my daughter is going to need soon when I read, “…easy strips for Mom…” Mom? It doesn’t bother me that I’m Dad but let’s face it what about, grandma, grandpa, siblings, aunt, uncle? Why not just, “easy open strips.”




jpod00
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Oh, you think that's bad...

Jonathan,

I know you aren't the type to get too worked up over this, but I totally agree. Again, society as a whole just doesn't get it. But if you want to find something that seems to push us all back to the Neanderthal era, watch an episode of Jon & Kate Makes 8 on TLC. Kate will say something stupid like, "I ask him to watch the kids, and like most dads, he goes downstairs with them and finds a couch to hold down..." Its my wife's new thing to watch this show, and so far, every episode, there's been at least one such lame ass comment.

Grrrr.

Jim
Boulder, CO
Dad to Cole, Luke & Trev



jedijoe1076
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i call this the ray romano effect

Well lets face it television dads are not helping this situation out in the least bit, stupid asses like ray romano just dont help the situation of the sterotype as well, us guys are seen as morons, so why shouldnt society see us as such just look at the images on television. As for cleaning, well not to pick on my wife, but damn if I am not a more efficent cleaner, she is easily distracted, she might be more emotional supportive of my son, but I am more of the jokster less serious person, and to a nine year old boy in the summer time it seems to be just what he needs. I feel in a relationship differnet people are better at certain things, this has nothing to do with gender, but the way we are hardwired, anyway thanks peeps for giving me a place to vent and read other peoples thoughts, this is helping out so much and i have found this week to be going alot easier than last, your suggestions are helping out 100%

take care
j



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This is the very REASON I have stopped watching sitcoms!

I used to get so STEAMED by the way that fathers are portrayed by the numbskulls at the Major Media Outlets that I have STOPPED WATCHING! Why should I WASTE my TIME being INSULTED by these idiots? Just about EVERY FATHER ON TV is portrayed as an IDIOT these days. I think the LAST intelligent father was on the COSBY SHOW. Now, EVERYONE in the family is smarter than the father, including the PETS! If they could make the father less intelligent that a HOUSEPLANT, they would do it. My FAMILY does NOT watch this crap. I do NOT want to ENCOURAGE that kind of behavior in my children. It won't be too long before they will be thinking that ANYWAY.



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Are we the few capable Dads?

Unfortunately, I think that there are still plenty of Dads who aren't capable of going the store to shop for the kid(s). They'd rather go hit 18 than spend time finding out what kind of diapers their kid wears, what foods they like or whether they prefer to take a shower or a bath. (Not that I'm one to turn down a round of golf!) To them, rearing is the job of the mother or nanny. Their role is to teach basketball, baseball, go to ball games, and tell them about the birds and the bees when the time comes. But for some guys to get their hands into a dirty diaper? Forget it.

Also, I don't know about you, but I shudder to think of sending my wife to the store to do the shopping for the week.



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What it all come s down to

The choices we make...... I do believe that there are MANY fathers out there that make the choice to be engaged. ( even some that are not sahd's)
There are Bill Cosby fahters ( smart and funny ) there are Tim Allen fathers ( dumb, funny but really do a Ok job and care ) them there are Ray Ramano fathers ( just keep the kids alive before mom gets home type of bumbleing idiots )
Your life is not about you any more! It is about the kids...Yes we may get to play 18 every now and then...But while I'm out there I think about how cool it is gonna be when my 2.8 is gonna be able to come out with me..lol.. Funny how kids do that to you....

Choices, gentlemen , its all about choices....
Chef Kev
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JPhillip said it, therefor it is, Chef= C=Caring, H=Helpful, E=Excellent, F=Fubar



jedijoe1076
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sending my wife to the store

Yes I shudder too, i couldnt imagine, nor do I think that she likes to grocery shop, so its all good.



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Choices.

I agree Chef that life is about choices. One can chose to listen and be involved with our kids. (We can also know their weight thus making diaper buying easy.) But that thought also includes the woman who decided to say, “Good job Dad!” I’m not offended by that but if one wants to read the subtext she could have just as easily been saying, “Your wife trained you well. Good job Dad!” or, “You follow direction really well, good job Dad!” It is also possible she just meant good job. She chose to blurt that out. I haven’t a clue to her life background or whether she “Loves Raymond” or not but she still chose to shout out praise in an odd way, at least I thought. I have, like all of us, received the gamut from damnation to full out praise for what we do. I understand the novelty factor to being an at home dad and as un-PC as this is many women have rotten attitudes toward men and their parental instincts. Let’s face it a whole generation of women were raised in a post-Feminist environment which put unrealistic expectations on them and filled them with a belief that a man should always be Dr. Watson to their Holmes.

Personally, my Dad could never cook, always bought the wrong thing at the store, and didn’t spent a whole lot of time with my sister and I growing up…but…his “job” was to work to pay the bills. When he did make the effort it was always appreciated. He wasn’t bubbling he was just doing things his way, and that too is a choice. A couple can communicate so they are both on the same page sparing the world the image of the knuckle dragging Dad and all wise Mom, or they can chose to decide to fight and argue over what is the “right” way to do things.

I suppose the media had played a role in all of this, as has our political landscape. Imagine the equitable world where a woman could be depicted as not being a super-mom? People always say, “You couldn’t make ‘Taxi Driver’ today,” when more importantly, should the question be, could you make “Kramer vs. Kramer” today?

Be Seeing You.



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Helping a lady on the side of the road.

Recently my wife went out of town for three days on training. She is off fridays, so she always takes my son to, and picks him up from school. Unfortunatley for me she failed to notify the school he needed to ride the bus home. That friday my mother-in-law, against her better wishes, came over to set with my other three so get some yard work done. Naturally, when I showed my face in the house at 3:30 she split. By the way, the deal was she would stay untill my nine year got home. Much to my dismay, the school called at 4:00 telling me my son was still there. I rushed my three year old twins and one year old in the van to pick him up. On the way back home I ran out gas, something in my 19 years of driving I had never done. In the hurry out of the house I had forgotten my cell, so I decided to unload the kids, turn on the flashers and wait for someone to help. Thirty minutes passed, my four stranded children and myself watched countless cars pass, but no one stopped. I knew the house was a short distance away, 3/4 of mile or so, we began to walk. My nine year son holding his little brothers hand, and me carrying the other two. The flow of the day continued as I stepped off the side of the road to avoid an oncoming car and snapped my ankle, dropping the two I was carrying in the near by ditch. We continued on to the house, me packing two children on one leg and my nine year old leading his brother. We finally reached home and acquired a full five gallon gas can, two strollers and made back to van the same way we came.
I guess the point of my long winded story is this, If I had been a stranded mother of four, people would have fought for the opportunity to help. It could make them feel good, and they talk about it to their freinds and family. It is a different story when you're a 6'3" 230 pound, grass covered guy. The next two weeks on crutches and in a soft cast, I did figure out there is a big difference between moms in need, and dads in need.



jerseydad
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The labelling is for the ladies

The strips are labeled "easy strips for Mom" because Dad has no problem with them.

I would have told the lady how many times a day you change them and ask her if she'd like to come over to change a few.

I ask all the old ladies who make comments if they would like to babysit so I can have a break. Shuts them up real fast.



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Dads portrayed as bumbling boobs

WE know it's all to make the women feel good about themselves when ads and TV portrays us Dads as incompetents...we're scaring the hell out of them. Let them work, WE'LL show them WE can do the job just fine.....

Personally, I haven't had one shot fired my way about me being a SAHD....maybe it's my biker looks but ALL the women my daughter and I have met have been very friendly.

Persevere my brethren.....



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