So outraged I could kill

LordSetta
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Sorry to let you guys see this but my wife found it on cafe mom. There is gonna be pickating otuside the courthouse on monday for the trial.

Rest in peace Baby Ben

On February 12, 2008, Peoria Police responded to a call at 3012 W. Proctor Street in Peoria. Found dead and strapped in a car seat set that had been placed in a crib was 5 month old Benjamin Sargent. The defendants are his parents.
Benjamin was wearing a blue snow suit. It was zipped up. The temperature in the room was near 80 degrees. Benjamin's
eyes were open, his hands were clenched in a fistlike position and, although dead, his eyes were staring straight ahead.

Police investigation and medical and pathological examination would reveal that Benjamin had been strapped into
this car seat and had not left it in eight days. All waste and urine had collected beneath him and his buttocks, legs and back were eaten into by the resulting poison. Some waste left in Benjamin's colon revealed resulted in constipation because it could not be pushed out of his body due to starvation.

James Sargent was present at the house and, when interviewed on that day, and again on February 18, his answers
to questions confirmed for police that Benjamin had been returned to the residence on February 4, 2008, by a grandmother and he was in the same car seat, wearing the same snow suit, and confined in the same manner as when he was found dead 8 days later. A person who ‘stayed' with others in the garage of the defendants told police that he was the one who observed Benjamin in the car seat, and on the living room floor, and that it was he who found this odd and so, he placed the child (while in the car seat) in a baby crib in a bedroom.

The house was kept in an outrageous condition with nothing in its place, food left out and spoiled, and belongings scattered everywhere. Clothing, articles, spoilage, and debris were stacked everywhere around the house.

James Sargent told police he "thought" he had maybe moved Benjamin once or twice during the eight day period but
upon further questioning, he conceded that he may not have been moved at all. The person from the garage tells police that Benjamin was found just as he had left him eight days earlier.

The 'mother' was in Iowa, where she had gone to see-a male boyfriend she found over the internet. She told police that
caring for her baby Benjamin was not her duty and that it was James' responsibility. Before heading to Iowa on the day before Benjamin was found dead, Tracy Hermann said she looked at the baby in the crib and presumed he was sleeping so she said she stuck a bottle between the baby and the side of the carseat so that when he woke up he could grab it and feed himself if he was hungry. In case the court missed it earlier, Benjamin Sargent was five months old.

Tracy Hermann also has a daughter, almost 3, who Tracy Hermann seems to have 'given'away' to a family member. A
shelter care hearing on that matter now pends in the circuit court because I am also seeking to remove her permanently and forever from any contact with Tracy Herman.

Preliminary examination of Benjamin Sargent's body showed that he weighed 10 pounds, suffered from sepsis in the
blood and tissue, was without proper liquid and food and that he died from starvation due to neglect by the two defendants who stand before you, Tracey D. Herman and James E. Sargent.




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Why?

Why are some people allowed to procreate? There aren't words to describe how I feel about people who have children and can't take care of them in any way, but still don't have the common sense, or should I say humanity, to give the child up for adoption or place them in the hands of somebody who cares.

I'm going to hug my daughter for a few minutes now.

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RE: Why?

It isn't that they can't, it's that they chose not to. Most people live life unconcious if what motivates them. Unconcious of how there action will effect other people's lives. My wife worked with a woman who's husband - a former fighter pilot - felt that their life should not be alterd by having a kid. So with his son at 4 mons. he started to plan a trip to Italy. Now that isn't infantacide but it's the same nonsence that gets children killed, beaten, and neglected, all over the world. Not to mention the styigma around post-pardem and using SSRI drugs to balance the minds of the women who need it.

One needs a license to drive a car, to regester to vote, a licence for a dog but a chiald? (I know that sounds Owellian.)

Be Seeing You.



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I agree...

I totally agree with you No. 2 people should only be allowed to have children once they obtain a licnese. you need a licsense for everything else.
But not to totally screw up a human life or even end it. I think you should have to pass child rearing courses and parenting classes. I think financial status should be looked at but not set too high. because they say unless your a millionare your never really financially ready for children. I don't think marriage should be required but it could never hurt. If you have kids without a licsense they should be taken away until you are able to obtain one. well I will stop ranting before I make myself look like a natzi.



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You're not a Nazi, but...

You are reacting strongly to a situation that can only be described as "evil." And I know how you feel.

I know some of you are atheists so you can skip this paragraph, but I find great comfort in God when I read a story like this. I am not a Bible-verse-memorizer, but I recall a verse where Jesus says it is better for a man like this father to hang a stone around his neck and jump into the river rather than harm one of His children. This "father" will have his day of judgement here in the judicial system, and again later.

When I started reading your thread, LordSetta, I assumed it was some sort of sick joke, that this couldn't be real. Of course, the tragedy of it is the reality.

Hopefully, though, every parent in the world will see this sort of story, evaluate their own situation and, with any luck, give up their child if they feel they are on a similarly destructive path.

I know that sounds a little Pollyanna-esque, but I mention this as an alternative to regulating and licensing child-bearing. That is, yes, "You need a license to fish, drive a car, or kill a deer, but any old sonuvab#tch can have a kid." (a loose paraphrase from the Steve Martin movie "Parenthood"). But going down that regulatory road will cause more problems than it would fix.



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I know.

Your probably right it would cause some problems. But I am just so short tempered when it comes to stuff like this..I have a 5month old and could never dream of just letting him sit for 8 days in a snow suit in his car seat. I mean were they just deaf as the poor child screamed out in pain and hunger for hours on end every day until he died. It makes me sick just thinking about it. When I was younger and without child me and my friends used to make dead baby jokes and watching movies like trainspotting didn't really effect me. Now I can't even stomach thinking about some of the jokes I used to tell. Trainspotting came on the other day and I turned it on during the baby scene and I couldn't watch it anymore. Kids change you and before children I would have been like. Dam thats cruel and I would have been angry but now that I have kids it makes me wanna commit murder. Those people don't deserve a quick death. They deserve the same treatment as that poor little boy they wrote off as insignificant in their lives. argggg! I can't talk about this any longer I will cause myself to have anurism or something.....



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Getting a license is easy. What about...

having prospective parents go through what we went through to adopt? It certainly makes sense to me. When two people are ready to have children, they must contact the state agency (for this scenario, I'll suggest CPS - we actually went through our adoption agency). The agency then requires that you enroll in a 5- or 10-week course on what to expect when having children. You must also have a social worker come into your home for four visits to evaluate whether you are parent material, your house is safe and you are able to provide a stable environment to raise a child. You are subjected to a background check to rule out those who are child abusers, provide fingerprints, financial records, medical records, to name a few. Once you have completed all the required documentation, coursework and preparation, you wait with the hope that one day your baby will arrive with one head, two arms and two legs, ten fingers and ten toes. Shortly after his/her arrival, your agency calls to schedule the first of four post-placement visits, again to assess that you are still not a maniac, the house is safe, and you are providing a stable environment to raise the child.

If you decide that you want to have another baby, you must start the process all over again, save for a few steps (you don't have to enroll in the class).

As I write this post, hoping to infuse some light-heartedness, I admit to myself that I get extremely angry when I hear/read of situations such as this. All kidding aside, we had to go through the above process, but I understand the rationale behind it. Yet, anyone...anyone can have a child regardless of whether they are fit to be parents.



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It is odd that adoption is

It is odd that adoption is much harder than natural children. To be square I don’t actually think people aught to have a license to have children. However this event does speak to the need in our Nation for a better social safety net. I’m not a Socialist but I have to say in England they have Home Health Services, where in a registered nurse visits you at home for 14 months, this is done to asses the health and progress of your child and offer an opportunity for new parents to ask questions and get advice at home. Not to mention if the nurse sees any thing she finds disquieting or unusual about the situation the child is in they can alert the authorities. God knows if Susan Smith’s children would still be alive if someone had seen, and had the authority to intervene, that she was a promiscuous nut job and wildly post-partum.

A friend of mine is the only single father I know. He has the most traditional values one could imagine, Children Self, Faith Work, Community. Brian adopted a little boy from Guatemala and loves him to pieces. He and I have great talks about what we see as our share values and perspectives as Dads. Unfortunately what the world sees in Brian is another Gay man who was aloud to adopt. Somehow to some people that is unacceptable. Brian is so filled with love and good cheer it makes me happier just to be around him. But it seems to me that rather than spend the time and energy preventing good men like Brian from adopting because of his gayness, people should focus more on horrible situations like this poor little boy. Why is Brian’s life open to litigation and not the strait parents who are cruel, incompetent, and unloving?

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Thats what I mean.

The government in the U.S and probably most of the rest of the world. Will let any crackhead off the street ruin a persons life but when a perfectly good human being wants to make a young childs life easier and raise a decent human being wants to do it they get all this drama and throw back because of his/her supposed sexual inclinations. It is retarded. so many gay and lesbian families do beter than most straight ones do but yet governments and religious institutions give them so much beef about it because they are gay/lesbian it almost makes you want to give up on the world and all the hipocracy and crap in it. but we can't because we have the chance to try and instill a good set of values to our children and maybe the next generation can fix our generations mistakes by loving and caring for humanity and the genral populace. it is through love and understanding not diversification and hate that will save our world from this wicked path of destruction we have set it apon.



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Not all straights are bad!

While I would love to speak for all gays/lesbians, quite frankly I cannot. Let's face it, not all gays/lesbians and straights are equipped to parent. My parents, for example (God, I love 'em), were not the model parents. I would like to blame it on their youth; unfortunately, they had children later in life, too, and didn't do so well with them either.

I don't know what the answer is. I do understand the need for adoptive parents to go through the adoptive process - the state, the entity that becomes legally responsible for the adoptee (the child), must do everything in its power to ensure that the child is placed with a good family. I really do understand this. When it comes to situations like the one described, I don't know what the answer is. I struggle with wanting more governmental intervention for the health, safety and welfare of innocent children and wanting less intervention. Where do we draw the line? Is the status quo okay? Do we allow the government to do as NEW NO. 2 suggested and have a nurse come into the home to check on the family? We have CPS, but they will only intervene if they are alerted to a suspicious event. This means that you, the neighbor, the friend, the family member, must report suspicious events. Could you do it?



LordSetta
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There are some starighties.

I wasn't trying to say all straight people are bad I was just making a point that they give perfectly good candidates for adoption such a hard time because they are gay or lesbian. I know straight people go through the same process but I am pretty sure it is harder for gay or lesbian couples to adopt I don't even think they can in some states. I'm Not sure. What I do know is the little bit the government is doing obvisiouly isn't good enough when you hear about child murders, abuse, rape, ect so much. Like I said before. In the times before being a parent I didn't take as much notice but now I notice it way too much I guess. One of my in-laws has two kids she doesn't take care of and they never get taken away. CAS ( Children's Aid Society, which is Canada's agency for childrens services. ) Has been to her house with warnings multiple times and nothing really changes. We get sick of it. We feel so sorry for those poor kids and the governments not doing much about it. And it is really sad because the government up here is good about taking care of people so there should be no reason her kids have to live like that it is just because she is sooooo fucking lazy. I guess at the end of the day we just have to make sure we do our est to make sure our children are safe and they learn the necessary skills in life to be good parents as well...



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