So, is Todd Palin a stay at home dad?
Todd Palin
No
From Wikipedia:
Todd works for the oil company BP as an oil-field production operator. He is also a Bristol Bay salmon set-netter and owns a commercial fishing business.
-Will
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I had read that he thought about being a SAHD, but he changed his mind.
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And now he's gonna be a Grandpa too!
That sure takes the cake for an inconvenient out-of wedlock teen pregnancy!
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Mommy is a big supporter of abstinence programs, as well as teaching creationism in schools. If this had happened the other direction, the Republican's would be all over it and wouldn't let up. Good thing Obama has character.
-Will
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I Concur.
The larger issue is that no one wants an open debate on the value of abstinence programs. Virginity Clubs and Born Again Virgins have the same STD rate and teen pregnancy rate as other clubs in most of the U.S.
The Rights attempts to paint the media as “being in bed” with Obama failed because of his lack of need to be petty and counter every argument, given that he believes in the First Amendment. More over the BBC reported that there is little to complain about in how he has run his campaign. (No matter what you think of his qualifications he has run a positive campaign.)
Michael Moore (also no matter what you think of him) wrote this:
“I do feel very sorry that this minor, this child, now has to have her privacy sacrificed because her mother accepted an offer to run for VP. Obama's right -- the children are off limits. I remember when John McCain cruelly trashed Chelsea Clinton when she was a child in the White House. He told reporters that she was "ugly" "because Janet Reno is her father." Of course, McCain would like us now to accord Palin's daughter the respect he wouldn't give Chelsea.
This does not mean that a discussion about the stupidity of "abstinence-only" sex ed classes is off the table; nor should we not talk about the right of a teenager to terminate a pregnancy (a right that has been essentially eliminated as the Supreme Court believes forcing a child to have a child against its will is not a form a child abuse), or Gov. Palin's desire to make abortion illegal for anyone who is raped, a victim of incest or who may die if they bring the fetus to term. She's "proud" of her daughter's "decision to have her baby." Uh-huh. Ok...”
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my computer just fell off of the desk.....this whole thread is leaning so far left that i almost fell off my chair......couldn't there be a warning at the beginning of threads like this......the gov't makes people have warnings on alcohol and tobacco products, and a thread touting obama , moore and the like, is a definite threat to the health of anyone with a complete brain.......i hope i haven't been exposed to too much already...
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Kind of hard to ignore facts in evidence yo.
-Will
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You don't have to ignore us or start a new thread. You can argue with us. That would make it a much more entertaining thread. Maybe you'll even expose yourself to new ideas.
A bunch of liberals talking smack about Palin is like a pack of wolves howling while preying on a sick limping baby moose.
Moose, however, are one of the most dangerous animals in the tundra. Show us what you got, moose! :)
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Palin is too easy of a target
Had McBush actually picked someone with a background it might be harder, but someone with only a B.S. in Journalism and was Ms. Alaska 1984? Come on, that's easy.
-Will
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At least I'm trying to remain balanced
Watching the RNC right now and supressing the urge not to laugh and vomit. I find it quite telling that on the first night of the DNC there was hardly an empty seat to be found, but the RNC by comparison looks like the one way it would've filled a hall is if it where hosted in a high school gymnasium.
-Will
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Privacy for the children?
So after telling the media to back off and give the poor pregnant daughter and her boyfriend privacy, as i think they should, I just read that they are flying the boyfriend out to take the stage with the Palins at the RNC! I can't imagine what these kids are going through; first they are probably devastated that their lives have just turned upside down and now they get to stand in front of the whole world on TV. Yeah, that makes sense. I'm sure they think it's supposed to be a family building image, but at whose expense?
p.s. On the subject of Todd not being a SAHD and Mom being governor and a VP hopeful; who is taking care of four month old autistic Trig?!
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marrying him?
the fact that a 17 year old girl of a right-wing politician is not really surprising or newsworthy. I am more appalled that the mother is proud that her 17 year old daughter is going to marry the father. Just because the two teens are having a baby together does not mean they need to marry. They can both be loving, committed parents and not marry. I think Sarah Palin encouraging them to marry is irresponsible.
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Reeks of hypocrisy, don't it ElectricLime?
-Will
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Did anyone here about...
the father's myspace page? If it's really was his page, he had "Don't want kids" as his default answer.
But beyond all that, what is really disgusting are the suspicious events that took place before Trig's birth. You can read all about the Palin conspiracy theory that forced her hand on announcing Bristol's birth on my blog, but aspects of it were true and completely unexplainable. For instance, Sarah Palin was leaking amniotic fluid in her seventh month of being pregnant with a special needs child, and yet she decided to give a speech, go to the airport, fly from Texas to Seattle, switch planes, fly from Seattle to Juneau, skip the major hospital nearby, and drive 45 more miles to her local hospital. I mean, good lord, you have to go out of your way to endanger your unborn child so carelessly.
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As A Dad
Personaly I can't immagine taking a very public post at a time where my private life was about to become very public. VP is for 4 years and ther grandchiald will be 3 when she is out of office. I think some critacism of her actions, Palin not her daughter, is appropreate.
I would hate to see her daughter in a shotgun marriage to a man she didn't love in order to preserve the fiction of a normal family life. When this kid is born, even is Pailn isn't veep, it will be a media frenzy. That's a terrable way to start life.
I have a Facebook page (Jonathan Gunning - look me up) and Idon't have pic of my daughter on it in part becsue she doesn't have the choice. I'm very strickt about that, and probbaly unnessicarily so, but that's how I feel and given thoes feelings I think Palin is wrong to expose herself and her family thus. I would also add, there isn't another woman in the GOP that could have been concidered?
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Ticktock, don't forget that
Ticktock, don't forget that she also endangered her baby by getting an amnioscentesis. My wife's doctor recomended genetic testing since she was over 35. The only reason he could give for why she needed the test was that some people terminate the pregnancy if the baby has Down Syndrome. We refused since we would keep the baby anyway and he said that an amnioscentesis has a 1 in 300 chance of causing a miscarriage.
Amnio
My wife and I did an amnio for two reasons, one) I am adopted and anf uncertain of any genteic history in my family and two) my wife was 35 at the time.
Also it wasnt against any political or moral belife of ours not to do so. I'm certain our child would have been our chiald no matter what but we had the choice which I firmly belive in for all American even if I don't agree.
(Although I probbaly don't come off that way :-)
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My Man,
I'm curious, what is a Reformed Republican?
A friend of mine was active in the New Jersy GOP but dropped out to support Obama becasue he flet his opinions as to part direction and policy were not being heard. He is sad becsue the Republican party pushed him out and can't field a person of Obama's charater.
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New No.2
For most of my adult life, I believed that the Republicans stood for what was important to me. I think that employees in small companies tend to be more creative and productive than in large corporations and that government should make it easy for small businesses to thrive. I think that giving people opportunity rather than hand-outs is the way to go, although I realize that some people can't take care of themselves. I believe in small govenment and that things can be handled better at the local level. And most of all, I believe that government should stay out of our personal lives. I think that the Republicans might have originally stood for this before the party was hijacked by the nutcases (neocons). My wife was very liberal when we met. Over the years, she's come around somewhat to my way of thinking while I've come around to her way of thinking. She calls me a reformed Republican because I've taken a 180 and and finally re-registered as a Democrat this year.
Thanks
Thank you so much for you heartfelt responce.
I belive in manyof the same things you do and it's sad that the party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt has become muchof what both of thoes men detested.
I come from a long line of "new Deal" Democrats but I can't say I have always been on board with them as well. They are victim of special interest and to often cowtowing to the Right for votes leaving us Democrats in the backand not realy sure what our part is all about. I genualy feel thatObama is a true beliver in democracy and is our Kennedy. It feels good to have a candidate that wants to revitalize and not infantilize Americans.
~Jonathan
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Getting even stranger
And I belive in States Rightes!
"I was reading Jake Tapper's blog post on ABC News and became quite disturbed over Governor Palin's association with the secessionist Alaska Independence Party (AIP). I can slough off the baby rumors. I can live with the Governor's conservative ideology. What I can't stand for is the possibility that the first time since before 1860, there is a person of national political importance who believes that the destruction of the Union is a good idea."
"The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.
The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences."
Anyone wishing to see this srticle in full and in context pelse go here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-mackey/the-real-issue-governor-p_b_123158.html
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It was Todd
Todd was part of the secessionist party, not Sarah. Or at least so the story goes.
-Will
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at least it's amusing
at least this thread is quite funny, and at least nobody has tried to unionize sahd's like they have everything else...then we would have to pay sahd's $40 an hour, unless you don't have a college degree, then you get $60 and hour and no matter how much you screw up your job and don't come to work, the company can't fire you...then we would have to start sending our kids overseas to sahd's that will work for $.50 an hour because they will work to feed their families no matter how low the wage....i can understand why people like the democratic party, if i didn't know any better i would want everyone to take care of me, not be accountable for anything i do, let people pay my way while i sit back and make alot of babies and don't get a job.....but alas my parents raised a son that believes that i should work for everything i want...after all everyone in America has a right to a free education until they are 16, why should i have to pay for the people who don't take advantage of it and would rather get free handouts from the democrats? oh well, i guess i'll get attacked again from everyone for this post, but at least ticktock didn't make it personal and had a rational response, so i wouldn't mind having a cocktail or 2 with ticktock and discuss politics as grown adult men as opposed to many of the other brainwashed individuals that can only spout party rhetoric and not think for themselves..
smacmartin wrote:discuss
smacmartin wrote:
discuss politics as grown adult men as opposed to many of the other brainwashed individuals that can only spout party rhetoric and not think for themselves..
Yet another needless and baseless attack from a pot that doesn't mind calling the kettle black. And do explain how that statement isn't making it personal. The only thing discussed here has been established facts, so there's no need for this kind of insulting manner.
-Will
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Smacmartin, I think that one
Smacmartin, I think that one of the problems with this two-party system is that we all have things that really matter to us and neither party can deliver on them. For me, it's large corporations and for you, it's the unions. As long as corporations and unions are allowed to influence our political process, nothing will change. I also think that both parties try to paint the other as being so radical and out of the mainstream that you'd have to be crazy to vote for the other one. Furthermore, I think you might be surprised at how many Democrats share your views about unions and free handouts. Nothing is black and white and painting the Democrats as the party that wants to give everyone free handouts and have nobody take personal responsibility is simply not accurate. One of the things I liked about Obama in the primaries is that he said it is going to be up to us to fix the system and demand change. He wasn't promising to do all these things on his own.
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i can understand why people like the democratic party, if i didn't know any better i would want everyone to take care of me, not be accountable for anything i do, let people pay my way while i sit back and make alot of babies and don't get a job.....but alas my parents raised a son that believes that i should work for everything i want...after all everyone in America has a right to a free education until they are 16, why should i have to pay for the people who don't take advantage of it and would rather get free handouts from the democrats?
Just read that and you can understand why this country is shifting away from the Republican party. I mean where do you start. Do you go for the nonsensical unfounded political rhetoric or do you point out that in the English language you capitalize I and American public education is free until you are 18. And talk of accountability from a Republican is a little hypocritical these days.
Hard to take a challenge to talk like adults from a post like that.
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