Pay Our Mortgages!

shuaevan
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So since Im an AHD I, as you know, occasionally have time to think. I've been thinking bailout. Here's my plan. Discuss, hate, discuss, love, discuss....

So my concern with the bailout as it is focused currently is that it simply transfers financial problems from financial institutions to the US government. Actually homeowners with bad mortgages (or any mortgages) are not helped at all. Plus the money then given to financial institutions is not guaranteed to rush back into the system, or if it does we have to wait, once again for "trickle down" to us folks.

So here is my plan (with TONS of holes):

* Pay off our mortgages. Give every household $100,000. Not per house, just $100,000 for a primary residence. There is no income limit (if we insist on one make it $500K).

* By reducing mortgages by $100K you not only give homewowners much needed relief by reducing the payments per month you also eliminate years of interest payments. So the $100K is more like $120K (give or take).

* If my wife and I had $100K less to pay off on our mortgage I guarantee you we would spend money on a) buying things for the house, b) fixing up the house, c) reducing credit card debt or d) saving more. Any of these options are what economists have hoped from families, spend more, get out of debt, or save more.

* For those who have already paid off a mortgage? Since many of them are probably Baby Boomers or seniors give them $25K per household for health insurance or retirement (since much of latter was probably wiped out). Make it $50K...I don't know.

* Give renters a buying credit. Give them $50K towards a down payment. Don't relax borrowing requirements but having that money for a down payment is HUGE. I know that for many of my friends and peers the toughest part of home buying isn't the payment, it's the down payment.

* If someone rents and doesn't want to buy a house? I don't know. How about $10K for retirement, too?

OK so here are the problems:

* How far does $700B go towards this?
* How do we eliminate loopholes? We don't want Cindy McCain to get $100K for her house and John to get one for his.
* Yes, stupid people who made stupid decisions get money for a mortgage they shouldn't have had. But right now stupid companies, who have smarter employees, one hopes, are getting a LOT more than $100K

Here are the positives:

* Banks, mortgage companies AND individuals all get money out of this. And families benefit the most immediately (cash) and in the future (reduction of interest)

* Money gets back into the economy. $1500 doesn't stimulate anything, most friends I know spent that $$ on gas, debt, or put it in the bank. Tens of thousands? That is enough to spark some spending.

* If we are going into debt as a nation anyway and the tax payers have to bear the burden shouldn't they receive the reward?

* Finally what congress person doesn't want to stand in front of a mic and say "We're going to give the money back to you"?

Thanks for reading. It may be irrelevant bunk but it's been sticking in my head.




drainey
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Interesting Idea

The numbers might have to be tweaked at bit. The Census Bureau states that their are approximately 102 million households in the US. Some of those are rentals and some are 2nd (or third or seventh) residences, but most are primary residences. $700 billion, at 100K per household, works out to only 7 million households. But I'd sure like to get 100K to pay my mortgage! Do you have Henry Paulson on speed dial?



JohnGilroy
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more debt?

Since the root cause of this whole mess is people (including the govt.) borrowing too much money and living beyond their means. how is borrowing another trillion dollars (from China) and spending it on stuff (from China) going to solve the problem? People need to tighten their belts and match their spending to their income.
If that means a year or two of recession fine. It is better than storing up more trouble for the future...



StayAtHome-Scott
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On the fence

I haven't really looked into the specifics of the bailout details, but if any monies were to trickle down to me and mine, I'd rather have them sooner than later.

That being said, my look and my wife's as well, is not positive on our nation's current state - not only financially, but politically and socially too. If that 100K or the closest significant equivalent were to come our way, we'd probably be learning French-Canadian. Only because it would be easier to get the kids to my mother-in-law from Canada than Ireland.

I do agree with some of what JohnGilroy says, we have become a nation that does live beyond our means, and have put most of it on credit. There are two sides though to every coin, last year my brother-in-law and his wife put a house and all the furnishings on credit cards. While at the same time, my wife and I put heating oil and food on ours.

Tightening belts is standard procedure in most one income houses - certainly around here it is - but when the basics of existence are considered "living beyond your means*" one can only tighten the belt so much.

*I don't mean steak and lobster every week either. Two meat meals a week and a bottle of wine on Sat.

Scott
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ticktock
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How does the government get paid back? Under your plan, they would be spending tax payer money to pay taxpayers with no prospect of being repaid. At least the current plan has a chance of a return on the "investment".

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JohnGilroy
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I didn't mean to be

I didn't mean to be insensitive, I know times are hard for many, even when the economy is supposedly doing well.
My point is that 8 years of out of control government borrowing have put the US in a hole and the last thing the country should be doing is borrowing more to try and consume its way out of it.
If you want spend billions and help poor families you direct money to kids not houses. I wonder how much it would cost to give every kid $250 a month to age 18?
So far as the bailout proposal goes who in their right mind would give this administration a trillion dollar blank cheque?
The Fed is already pumping vast amounts into the credit markets. If banks have bad loans to flog or need capital they should look elsewhere.



StayAtHome-Scott
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I didn't take it as

I didn't take it as insensitive, just that not everyone is going hog-wild with credit. I would probably say there is a slight majority who do, but there is also a section of the middle class that is tightening belts and struggling, and has been for a while - not to mention the not-so-middle class.

It also does seem (here's where I totally agree) that the biggest misuser of credit is our government. If anyone should be tightening a belt, it's Washington.

Scott
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Electriclime
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Ironic

It's ironic that our government has to borrow so much just to 'give' it to other countries. When are they going to start worrying about our own? I can't believe that nobody in the financial markets and treasury saw this coming. It has been pretty obvious for a while that the easy mortgage situation was out of control. It just sickens me that my taxes are going towards bailing out large companies who go themselves into this mess and all the stupid people who thought it would be a great idea to get an adjustable mortgage or balloon payments.

How about his: people who gets themselves into a stupid situation are held responsible for their own actions? I didn't buy a $500,000 McMansion; why should I have to help out people who bought them and could never afford one?

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athomeinOmaha
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Credit,

I did a short stint in retail at my local Sears store. It was shocking the vast numbers of what I consider the working poor that miss use there credit. Cards maxed and minimum payments, all to get that "good deal" and save money. I wanted to sit each one down and explain credit and interest.
Scott,, I too feel our government needs to be the one that shows everyone how to "live in our means" and not live on credit.
I don't mean to be pessimistic, but too many senators in the pockets of special interest groups makes that very unlikely.
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