>> Changes to the Convention - IMPORTANT! <<

trophyhusband
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Gentlemen:

Dayv and I regret to announce that registration for the convention is way down from prior years and we don't have a big enough crowd to cover all the common expenses. We have roughly 20 registered participants today compared to 40 or more at this point in past years - and we need 50 to make the finances work. As a result we are changing the format of the convention so we can all still get together to socialize and share expertise.

All of the registered participants were notified of this change last week - a few have decided to bow-out, but most are still coming. Many of us come to this event primarily to spend a weekend surrounded by our brethren, see old friends and make new ones. That, of course, won't change. We hope that some of you fence-sitters will still join us for a very fun At-home Dad's weekend.

The changes are pretty simple: we're going forward with all the social activities, but dropping the "official program" we had planned for Saturday (our single largest expense was meeting space). Dayv will post a more detailed schedule of events later in this thread, but we're sticking with the activities we had already put on the schedule and adding some new ones (go-karting, bowling, pro hockey game). There will be no registration fee - we're simply going to have all the events be "a la carte" and participants will pay-as-they-go for the activities they participate in. Again, more info will be posted later in this thread. For those who arrive in town Thursday, we'll still have a Dad's night out. We'll still play on Friday and have a Meet & Greet. Instead of the structured meetings on Saturday, we'll add other fun events (Wine country tour? Brewery tour? What do YOU want to do? - besides sleep in!). Sunday, as always, will be wind-down day - some guys will probably hang out for breakfast, but things will wind down by noon as people head home.

We believe the low registration is due to the economic downturn, not lack of interest in the convention - we have heard from a number of regular participants who have indicated that they cannot join us this year for financial reasons. There is still a lot of enthusiasm for the convention, and we hope there will be a return of the full event next year (possibly in Washington DC.) While it is clearly a loss to forgo the Saturday program that hundreds of men have benefited from over the past 12 years, we still want to have a Dad's Weekend Out since so much of the value is the informal conversations and hanging out that happens in the time before and after the "official" program.

- Andy, on behalf of the convention organizing crew




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Thank you.

Dear Organ Crew, but especially Dayv. And, I really, really, really mean Dayv. Thank you for all of your hard work. You have been working outrageously hard on getting the convention, the web site, the store and everything else set up for everyone out there in Sac. I know that you have been putting in long hours for more than a year now. I know there are others that have put in many hours too.

I know that I shouldn't have to say this, but please believe that it had nothing to do with the great lineup, location or your amazing effort. As Andy suggested, the uncertainty in the economy is really taking its toll on all of us in some way. Even if we can "probably" afford to come out to CA, most of us are a little scared to do so. There are so many "what ifs" running through everyone's mind. This is part of the plight of AHD families: All of our eggs are in one basket.

Dayv, et al, Please know that your hard work was not in vain. Everyone that has visited this site in the past year has probably read about the convention and what a great opportunity it is and what a great time it has been for so many years now.

I have been waffling for months now trying to rationalize the expense of attending. I have to admit, as I am sure that many others do, that it's partially my fault that you guys were forced to make this tough decision. It really sucks. I really wish I could be there.

I sincerely applaud your efforts to carry on the "spirit" of the convention this year, even without a formal program. I know for a fact that you guys and anyone else that shows up are going to have an absolute blast! I know from my own experiences, that the social gatherings and heart to heart conversations amongst AHDs were always the best parts of attending the convention.

Thanks again for your mighty effort. I really appreciate it, and I will not forget it. I will do everything I can to attend next year. And, there WILL be a next year!

Now, go buy some coolers and ice.



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Thanks

Thanks for the kind words, and for the support. I've recieved many similar emails. "I'd love to be there, but with the economy, we just can't afford the trip this year." Believe me guys I understand. I'm working full time myself again.

But for now, I still have an event planned. Yes the formal "classroom setting" of the convention has been postponed, and we are hoping to have a more relaxed weekend.

Currently on the agenda:
Thursday afternoon- Go-karting
Thursday Evening - Bowling (Looking for volunteers to be designated drivers)

Friday - morning/afternoon, TBD, but suggested Anheiser Bush brewery tours as well as going across the street to the Jelly Belly factory. Wine tasting is also within an hour's drive.
Friday Evening. Stockton Thunder (ECHL) game. It's a special weekend, "Thunder goes pink" They die the ice pink, and all proceeds go to breast cancer research.

Saturday- Day - casual discussions in our meeting area, relaxed convention forums.
Saturday night- the scheduled dinner at river city brewery.

If you are still interested in attending the weekend, please contact either myself or Andy Ferguson (TrophyHusband at the top of this thread)

Dayv

www.athomedadconvention.com



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Well..

I can't speak for the guys who will still be going, but I will do my best to still post pics and comments from the convention as it would normally still be. Whether it be comments here and my photos posted at my apple site or just do it all at my apple site. (I'm sort still new at this.)

I can't express how all of you will be missed. This slimmed down version will be not just hanging out with the guys. (although a majority of it will be) I can see how on the surface it will seem like that. Perhaps, as one who has been attending the convention since 2001 and has been somewhat a convention committee member, I feel it is also important to be there to be a part of any round table discussions for next year.

As far as educational talks, take what you can from most conversations you have as they can all be educational talks. True, they aren't officially billed as "educational talks", but I'll bet I come away with being educated (or schooled!) in something over the weekend.

Take care everybody and again, we'll try to keep everybody posted on this year's happenings.



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Sign of the Times

Hopefully when GW is shown the door things will turn around and I will be able to attend and maybe Blog it again. It has been weighing heavy on me that I will not be in attendance this year and the thought is bringing me down.
Attendees, tip one or 2 for the rest of us!
Andy, Bryan and Dayv, thanks for all the hard work!
YOU GUYS ROCK!!

-MileHighDad



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Thank You

Hey Guys,

A big thank you from me also for all the work you have put into the convention. My plan is to be in attendance next year. I'm be done with my schooling,, so that will not be a factor.
It takes a great deal of work to put on something like this and I really appreciate you guys taking/making the time to put it together.
You all will be missed,,, but I'm already looking forward to next year.
Mike



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I'll miss you guys

I'm sorry to see the lower attendance and changed schedule and look forward to a re-newed conference next year in the DC Area (and am willing to help!)...

I think your problems were three-fold:
1 - After 11 years in the mid-west, I would argue that the vast majority of people drove to the conference. Moving it to the west coast meant all of those people now would have to fly. You probably lost a lot of people right there.

2 - Since it was a mostly driving conference, very few people came from the west coast (Dayv, you're the only one I knew from the left coast). Your "home base" support was much smaller than in years past. The Chicago and then Omaha (near KC) groups were huge in both support and numbers at the conferences in the past.

3 - Economy - it did hurt, but for those who were flying, they had to make decisions much earlier, i.e. before the worst of the current economy hit.

I applaud the attempted move to the west coast. Without trying, you will never know. I look forward to it coming back to the East, where I now live. We, as a group, need to find a way to get word out, get media exposure, of this conference - make it tout to be so much bigger than it is now. There are other dads out there who would come if they thought it was "the" mechanism to be a part of the movement of other SAHDs.

I will never forget sitting in the classrooms at Oakton College listening to professionals (Dr. who? Andy?) give me advice on child raising. From eating habits to sleeping habits and all things in between. It would be a shame for this knowledge transfer to cease.

Thanks Dayv for all the work you did for this years conference. When you say "professional" hockey game, you don't mean a Sharks game, you must be traveling to catch a 'real' game, right?

Hang in there all you organizers and let's learn and start planning for next year as soon as the calendar turns to 2010...

Cheers,
PittCaleb



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I got that..

I get your points Caleb. But there are dads on the left coast too. Due to the economic crisis we are in most of them have made the choice to hold off on any plans for travel and will see what the future holds.

At last years convention we discussed hosting the convention at various sites around the country to be able to bring this experience and education to dads to all corners of the country who might not be able to fly across the country to attend, but might be able to drive 4 or 5 or maybe up to 7 or 8 hours to get there for the weekend. Thus, this year, the central west coast city of Sacramento was selected. The demographics of the Sacramento based convention were not based on how many people you know on the west coast, but on how many at-home dads and dad's groups there are in the area, in southern and norther California, north in Oregon and Washington state who have a hunger for this kind of education and experience. (It's like me saying "I don't know anybody in DC, so don't have it there"- OK, I know RD) There was also a non-scientific, non-committal vote when Dayv gave a presentation for the Sacramento sight and it was pretty heavily favored.

Given the economic crisis we are in and the unfortunate turn of events that this year's convention has been faced with, I don't think it is entirely unreasonable to consider Sacramento for next year's sight in order to give the west coast dads another chance to experience the annual at-home dad's convention. This is something that will be considered and discussed over the weekend, sometime after we get back from the very 'real' hockey game! ;)

And your points on marketing and "touting" will be addressed as well, only we will be starting and putting them in to motion as soon as the calendar turns to 2009.

Thanks for all your input! Everything will be taken into consideration in some way or another!



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Brian Makes a Great Point

First of all, the economy is the reason I can't make this year's convention, as much as it pains me to say so. My wife is now an independent contractor and only makes money while tied to a contract. The company she has been working for over the past 2 years has had to make drastic cuts due the loss of their stock price and besides letting go all the contractors, 3000 employees are getting laid off. My wife's company feels very confident that they can place her at a new contract, but until that happens, we have to tighten our belts.

Dayv and Andy have busted their butts to make this work, and I know how hard of a decision this was for them to make. It was the best decision and the most prudent thing they could do and I applaud them for their efforts and their fortitude.

Brian wrote:
I don't think it is entirely unreasonable to consider Sacramento for next year's sight in order to give the west coast dads another chance to experience the annual at-home dad's convention.

This is a great point. I have always thought that the west coast would be a fantastic location to hold a convention. There are so many dads on the west coast that don't have a dads group to support them that this would be such an opportunity for them to get some support they need. This is just some really bad timing and something that no one could have possibly predicted. No one who wanted to attend the convention wanted to make the decision not to go, but they had to. I think it would be great to hold the convention in Sacramento again to give these dads another opportunity to make a convention. I also feel that moving the convention every two years makes more sense. It takes a great deal of effort to plan and organize this type of event and it makes more sense to keep it in a location for a couple of years to make things a little easier and to give the next location more time to plan the next one. This is clearly evident with how the planning went for year 2 in KC.

The only problem with keeping it in Sacramento is that both Dayv and Andy can't plan next year's convention. They both have done a great job of taking over the reigns and keeping alive a great resource for stay at home and primary care dads. However, real life has crept into their lives and they must attend to their Real jobs. I'd really like to think that there may be a couple of dads in California that could take over from Dayv's and Andy's excellent notes and host it in Sacramento next year. However, if that can't happen we are going to do our best to try and host the convention here in DC, but there could be a few hitches in this plan. DC is a place that takes a little longer to plan these types of things. This is convention central and many places book out years in advance, and that's not an exaggeration. They just completed a new convention center that is it’s own city now and it was booked for the next 5 years before the construction was even completed.

I'm going to start another thread to run some ideas by everyone about holding a convention in DC, but I'd really like to think we can still get it done in Sacramento next year.

Dayv and Andy, my hats off to you both. As my dad would say, “you both have done a Yeoman’s job”….And that’s high praise from an old sea captain!

Mike Stilwell
Daddyshome, Inc.
DC Metro Dads



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Thanks for the props

Thanks for the props, guys...we did do all we could and we are very disappointed that there won't be the full schedule planned. Still very much looking forward to seeing some of the posters in this thread (and other site participants) in just a few weeks.

Neither Dayv or I will be able to lead the planning of next year's event, but we are both available to consult and help out - so the community WILL need to help decide what the best course of action will be. The scenario of having it again in Sacramento does make sense, but I'm not sure who would spearhead it... Might make more sense to have it in a location where there is a strong group with leadership that can make it happen. I think DC would be a great draw; we have also heard from some of the guys in Nebraska that they think they could host it in Omaha. Hey, maybe the LinOma Dads can get Warren Buffet to come run the financial planning session! Aaron Rochlen has also offered in the past to hook us up in Austin...we should also reach out to the Austin Dads group to see if they might be interested...

Clearly a discussion that will need to continue...

- Andy

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13th Annual At-Home Dads' Convention: www.athomedadconvention.com



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Omaha?

If there is enough interest to have it here, I'm confident we could put something together similar to the KC conventions. If all you city folk can put up with the covered wagons, no running water, and livestock running free everywhere, its a possibilty ;-) It would all hinge on our ability to find free meeting space.....that way we could still have it whether we have 20 or 100 people. There are a number of colleges in Omaha that might be interested in hosting us.

Omaha is a decent drive from Chicago/Denver/Minneapolis (all under 8 hours), is a Southwest Airlines city (keeps fares down...I'm flying RT Omaha-Sactown for $205), convenient hotels downtown in the "Old Market" where you can walk to bars/restaurant/entertainment, and a number of guys in the local group who are convention veterans. I'm sure we could get a number of dads from KC to return our favor of supporting their conventions.

If there is ample support, we can try to put together some things and talk about them in Sactown. We are getting together end of the month for a Dads Night Out and can put some ideas together.

Phil
LinOma Dads



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To answer your question

Just logged in for first time in months to review events schedule to decide if I would come. Obviously disappointed (not nearly as much as you, I'm sure--thanks for your hard work). In view of your encouragement, I will still consider coming, but will be less likely without the Sat program, or reasonable facsimile.

To answer Andy's question, "What do you want to do?" I would want to interact with other attendees to discuss in an organized way topics of mutual interest, such as those that might have ended up in a formal program, e.g. allowances, budgets, spending, and savings (perhaps you can obtain any printed material that was to be handed out). At certain conventions I believe we had breakout sessions by age to discuss general issues. I would be interested in spending some time having somewhat organized discussions (perhaps with a participant acting as facilitator). The agenda set forth in Dayv's post (casual discussion, relaxed forums) seems to fit the bill. I would welcome a tentative agenda/list of topics, and the use of facilitators to ensure discussions stay more or less on track. Perhaps participants can generate suggested topics and bring materials for distribution.

Again, thanks to Andy, Dayv, et al for all of your efforts.



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Hogan!!!!

Just have Hogan talk. He has been there and done that for along time and could probably teach us young'uns a thing or two.......Sorry Hogan I am not trying to make you look old.



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Hogan!

You don't have to make Hogan look old.....He is old! ;-)



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Oldie But a Goodie

Not only do I look old with my receding hairline and monkey ass… okay almost bald. I feel old. But I’m still a kid at heart.

I can’t believe I’m 53 and how fast the time has gone boy.



martyjos
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Hi Guys

I always felt that getting together to continue relationships and meet new guys was at the heart of the Convention. The organizing is hard, so there has to be some disappointment. However, it is terrific that the Convention continues. Have fun !!!

Marty Josephson

(In attendance for 8 of the first 10 Conventions)



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