(possible) Soon to be SAHD, Wife doesn't approve.

chrisb31
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Alright so heres whats going on.

Basically our son will be here over the summer. My wife makes MUCH more money than I do and has more invested in her career, as well, has great insurance, I have none. we can not really afford day care and as well I am freaked out and not cool in anyway with my infant son being basically raised by a stranger for 10 plus hours five days a week.

The problem is that my wife will not even consider me being a stay at home dad. she basically would think of me as a failure, because "dad's don't stay at home"
she WANTS to stay at home, but I can't support the family totally on my salary and as well my companies insurance is terrible which is why I don't have it. my wife has very traditional views on male a female roles, so much so that it doesn't even register that it might be best for the baby to be cared for by it's father if need be.

I also would prefer SHE stay at home and me have job that pays enough to allow that, and i am currently looking for work but with the economy, it's slim pickins.
My wifes view is, well if you don't make enough, then you need to go get a second or third job so I can stay home.

but I'm trying to think logically, she makes 30k more than me, and has more invested in her career, and we can't really afford 1600 a month on day care.
I am not scared about being a SAHD in regards to taking care of the baby, as I was raised with much younger bro's and sisters, and was changing diapers and taking care of babies since I was 10. BUT I do feel a sense of failure, and lack of self worth, but I feel that it's best for the baby that if need be I stay home. I can always get a weekend job I say, or an evening job.

I feel like if I end of having to be a stay at home dad, my wife will begin to resent me, even if it's best for the baby and will doom our marriage.

anyway, have any of you dealt with your wife not liking the idea of you being a SAHD, and how did you deal with it?




Tim E
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Wife doesn't approve....

Quote:
but I'm trying to think logically

"Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this:" never assume the laws of logic apply in any argument with the female species..... :-)

Seriously though, to be brutally frank, if your wife is not 110% on board with the idea start working on a different plan 'cause will be a miserable and disastrous ride. I've been at it for (gasp) i think almost 8 years now and believe me it takes a lot of understanding and patience and perspective and support on the wife's part to make it a happy venture. And she needs to be pretty ecstatic about the situation. And even with all that its still a challenge sometimes..... :-)

Cdn Tim



chrisb31
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True

True, very true.

But you know we have to put the babies best interest first, and that might be me staying home or taking an evening or weekend job and staying home during the week days.

she's working on a plan that the baby will be in day car and I'm working from a mindset that institutionalizing the kid from birth and having a stranger raise him instead of us is just not acceptable.



TimB
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My wife and I put off

My wife and I put off havings kids for year after year for the same reasons that you stated. I never was able to win the "logic" argument. I finally convinced her that I really wanted to stay home and that I would be good at it. That, at least. put us on equal footing and we were able to work out how she could spend as much time as possible with him such as bringing him by her work at lunch time, etc...



Hogan
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Is Wife Scared?

Is it possible that your wife might be scared to take this leap of faith? I know my wife, Tina, and I were.

How has other peoples' opinions affected your wife's feelings? Our decision in 1991 was met with a lot of criticism.

Tina and I successfully raised three boys on a teacher's salary in southern California. We decided that the quality of our life as a family was more important than the quality of our family's lifestyle. We also had to care for a disabled child diagnosed with Angelman Syndrome, a rare genetic disorder. Wesley cannot walk or talk and needs 24/7 care. It wasn't easy but we made it work.

After 18 glorious years as an at-home dad family, Tina and I have no regrets. (Grant is 20. Wesley is 19. And Matt is 15.)



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Sorry, man

But I think you're screwed.

This is hard enough when we're both on the same page.

You'd both need to forget about your mindsets and beliefs and plans and and any other preconceived BS (including yours that daycare is unacceptable) you're carrying. You'd need to look at the facts, together, and figure out exactly what your actual options are. If you can get that far, hopefully you could come up with a plan together.

-Jim L

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Mr. Dad
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Daycare is not the Devil

My wife and I started our first in daycare 5 days a week, and I worked full-time. We thought the caretakers were great, and in fact they taught us a lot in dealing with certain developmental phases. In many ways they became an extension of our family, not strangers. They valued our beliefs, and respected our wishes as to how we wanted things done. I think you will find this true for most licensed daycare facilities. No doubt there are probably horror stories too. The hardest part is accepting that your child will be fine there, and not want them over you. Wait until you see the look on their face when you pick them up... priceless. Don't be afraid of daycare.

Anyways, we decided I would stay home part-time (I work part-time for her practice), because it made things easier having someone home to care for the house, groceries, etc, while one of us being able to be with the kids more. Also saves on money of course. Our decision had nothing to do with the daycare.

My suggestion would be to start with daycare, if your wife isn't on board for you staying home. New child is stress enough. Let it play out... Revisit it periodically. She may change her tune. It was my wife's suggestion that I stay home, so you never know. Good luck.



michael45
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It getts better

Im lucky my wife came up with the idea of me quitting my job and I didn;t want to at first,but I really like it .If you do it make sure you are doing your part and when she doesnt have to worry that your not getting everything done. she will start excepting my wife is great when she has the day off I get one but, be careful your job is never done



bitchen
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A new wife?

I've been on both sides. We started at daycare for 6 months when we both went back to work.  My daughter developed health problems  (not related to daycare) so we decided one of us should stay home because of all the time at the hospital. Guess who? The wife makes more and has better insurance.  Familiar?  It's been three years now and my daughter is doing great. I must say the daycare center was great too. but we did a lot of research.

Bottom line, it was a decision we came to together. Daycare is fine if you spend the time to find a good one. But I would take issue if my wife told me I couldn't do it. Seems to be a deeper issue.

Good Luck.



WifeOfSAHD
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From a woman's perspective

I dont' think there are many women who would forgo a little money to come home to a clean house, hot meal and a happy kid.  I would emphasize how much more she could focus on her job and the baby if everything were taken care of at home.  Below is a list of legitimate fears the 'woman in the grey flannel suit' would have that you need to address.

1.  She'll still have to do most of the houswork when she gets home because you were parked on the couch watching Oprah. --  Are you willing and able to clean to her specifications while watching a kid and still have dinner on the table?   DH and I had some pretty heated arguments about this when he started being a SAHD.  Obviously, you won't be able to do everything the first few months, but should get better as time goes on.  

2.  You two won't be able to lower your standard of living to be in line with your lowered salary. --  How good are you at meal planning, clipping coupons, making food from scratch, and generally streaching a dollar?  Do you have a financial plan, a budget, a list of things you can cut? 

3.  She'll loose her job and you won't be willing/able to go back to work full time.   --The fact that you are willing to work part time helps alleviate that fear.  How steady is her job? 

4.  Your friends and family will look down on you. -- There's nothing you can do about this one, although I do find myself bragging about how relaxed and happy I am now that I don't have two jobs (paid work and house work.) 

5.  She'll never get out of the cube.  She'll miss her children's childhood.  She'll be a corporate drone until she drops over dead.  --Not having to do housework will allow her to focus more on the baby when she gets home.  The other fears are just a reality that she is going to have to live with. 



G
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Compromise

It's never either or in a relationship. You can always find a part time job or even better, start to work from home. That's what I did, but it took me about ten years to get off the ground. Because the house needed to be fixed up as well, and there's a yard and a dog to be walked, groceries to be bought etc. If you give her the feeling you put in enough effort, a job at itself, you guys should be OK. Wonder if her motivation is peer-pressure.



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A maid or raising the child?

This big decision does not have to include a complete role reversal.  If you spend your time at home truly raising the child, there is not much time for doing all the housework.  Our house is clean, when my wife gets home, but not spotless. She never assumed I would take on all this responsibility while also being a maid. As I did not assume she would take over the yardwork, home maintenance, car repair picking up dog poop. Getting the child socialization, exercising, and mental development are what you should focus on. If you need to convince your wife that you will make a good maid, in order for her to agree what's best for you child, then you will run into other marital problems down the road.

 



Veteran Ned
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To SAHD or not to SAHD

I completely understand where your coming from.  I didn't particularly like the thought of being a SAHD while my wife continued to work.  I had similar fears, and if you read the remark from 'wife of sahd', a females perspective, my wife has those same fears.

For us the economy forced the decision.  I worked with investments and my income very quickly dropped to much below hers.  She has very good insurance, while I had none.  There was no other option other than to have me stay home and take care of our son.

My wife does expect me to clean, and sometimes cook, and do laundry...  And let me tell you...  it sucks.  I do a decent job with all of that stuff, but I do not do it to her standards and we fought about it for awhile.  We finally came to a compromise.  I will never be able to fulfill her standards.  I think that was the whole compromise actually.  But I have made an effort to keep up with it, and I do take a day or two a week where I have to clean things in depth and put Barney on the TV.

I would like to work, no other way to put it.  I love my son, but I think I have a harder time than my wife does dealing with it.  The changes we have had to make financially have eased the stress (foreclosure and into bankruptcy).  And now after a year or so I can't imagine being in a better spot.

I don't plan on being a SAHD forever.  I'm working on my masters degree while watching my son, so hopefully when I'm done there will be more opportunity for quality work available, to afford her the opportunity to work less (she'll never 'not work, her decision').

There are challenges to becoming a SAHD.  Our marraige isn't 'doomed' though we've faced a few bumps relating to roles, expectations, and appreciation.  Her family is from the south, and they feel strongly about a male's role as a provider, so I know there will be some damage there, though I'm not too concerned about that. 

I would just tell you, it may be better for you and your family to consider becoming a SAHD for awhile, until you do have the opportunity which would afford your wife the chance to work less or stay at home.  You and your wife will have to work through it if SAHD ends up being the choice.

Last thing, I did take a part time job after a few months of becoming a SAHD, so instead of school and SAHD, I was in school and working.  It didn't even cover the expense of daycare.  Opportunities for quality employment are harder to come by it seems, so I suggest if you do become a SAHD you also work towards improving yourself to keep yourself desirable.  Either through education, or some other form.



Damom
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SAHD

Are you working for daycare or is daycare working for you? Is your income going totally for daycare? If so, then you are working just to be out in the workforce. If not, then how much money is left over after the daycare expences? This is one thing you and your wife need to work out. If your wife sees it in this light she might be more receptive to the idea of you staying at home.



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So I am re writing this post

So I am re writing this post so as not to include any "maid" duties.  My other opinion would be similar to everyone else's on this topic.  I came to realize it's not about actually convincing your wife you could be a SAHD but coming up with a plan, present and future, and actually come to an understanding.  bitchen is right, developing your child, mentally, physically, and socially is priority one.  How you and your wife will achieve that is solely up to you.  Not everyone knows how to cook, or wants to.  Not everyone has time to clean.  Just be the most supportive you can be of your wife and make sure she does the same for you. 



Nate Lee
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curious

Not to be a smart ass, but how does your wife cope with you making less money than her if her views are so traditional?

DW and I reached the decision that one of us needed to stay home as daycare was not working out and our daughter was suffering because of it.  We looked at our jobs and decided that she liked her job more than I liked mine, I would be the one to stay home.  It helped that she also made more money than I did.  That was three years ago.  My wife wants to stay home with the kids as well, and our goal is to allow her to do that with our third (possibly fourth...negotiations are still ongoing).  It's been such an incredible experience for me that I regularly thank her for allowing me to so intimately experience this time in their lives.  She regularly thanks me for staying home because she literally finds herself smiling at work knowing that she has absolutely no worries or concerns for their well-being.

I love to cook, so I probably cook six (dinner) meals a week, and that's not including the breakfast and lunches.

I don't clean very well. Embarassed

Here's what we asked ourselves.  What is best for the kids?  What makes the most sense for the family?  After we answered those questions the decision was pretty obvious.

good luck,

Nate



Albyonfloats
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If you feel a lack of self-worth, you're missing the whole point

The point being that one of you wants to be home so your KIDS never feel a lack of self-worth due to mom and dad not being there to spend time with them and teach them that they are worth spending time and energy on.

Do the math.  What does your job cost in daycare, gas, mileage, lunches etc? If it's a wash or even close, I wouldn't work.  You already said it. Why would you work for someone just so you can afford to have a stranger raise your kids? That's the key point, don't lose sight of it. 

Does your wife REALLY view men at home as failures or is that your view that you think the rest of the world shares?  Has she actually said it or like me, were you raised in a place where that was the prevailing attitude?

The 2006 census says there are over 159,000 of us in this country and they don't count anyone who works part time or from home and makes any income as a S@HD, so who knows how many of us there really are.  The point is there are a lot of us out here doing this every day, some of us for years, and as the job market gets tougher, there are going to be more of us.  Does that mean society is going to accept us, maybe, maybe not.  But society doesn't pay your bills, feed your family or put clothes on their backs, etc.  So SCREW what everyone else thinks and just do what's best for your family.  Do the math, think about what is best for your family, and talk it out and THEN decide.

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KenS
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No easy answer

Being a stay at home dad has been the hardest job I have ever done. But..... the most rewarding!!!!!! You and your wife have to be on the same page to make it work. My wife makes more money than I, and has better insurance because she is a nurse. I have some issues dealing with not working especially since I left Police work to stay home. But our number one focus is to make sure our baby gets proper care and protection. When I found out that day care cost over half my months salary the decision was made. Sit down with your wife and make a plan you both can be happy with, and support..... support..... support each other!!!! I read your wife has traditional views, look at us, my wife is a nurse and I started as a fireman then became an officer. Its still hard for me, but we focus on whats best for our baby. Congrats on your upcoming arrival.



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Agree with Tim E.

I agree with Tim E, except for the rank order of dumb things to do:  I rank the land war in Asia as number two.  Unfortunately, if your wife doesn't support your staying at home, the outcome inevitably will be conflict - and in my opinion, the conflict could be big enough to end the union.  Tough outcome for the kid, eh?

I'd be surprised if your wife's views aren' an echo of the view her parents hold (and frequently reinforce with her).  That is tough ground to break.

Good luck.



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The psycho-ology of it all

I live in Montgomery, AL and the general consensus about SAHDs leans toward laziness and being pussywhupped. My wife came from a strong religious family where the man said it and it happened. While my family was military and the wives were used to doing everything in the house and being co-equal in all things and would beat some sense into you should you dare to think otherwise. My wife loves this and thinks our relationship is great because I am not a 'macho-redneck-wifebeater-man.' I even call her The Boss after her grandad asked me why I always do what she wants me to do. Why the hell not?!? It makes her like me more.

Two years after we were married she started making more than me, after five years she made $30k more. When I was laid off in January of '08 ten days after our second child was born, The Boss was able to go back to work without the guilt of baby-jail. A few months later she got a promotion and basically covered what salary I lost. She comes home to our children running to her, the house is somewhat clean (hey, I’m not mary friggin poppins), and dinner is ready. I’m her hero. Can you put a price tag on the mental relief of being financially, physically, and emotionally healthy?

I brought this posting up with my wife and her best friend who is a stay at home mom, and she thinks that it is a woman's innate calling to raise her children. The Boss thinks that there might be some unresolved issues from the past on your wife’s part. The friend, however, gets a feeling of accomplishment when her house is in order and she has everything ready for her husband when he gets home from work. To her it is a no-brainer to have someone at home raising the kids. She says the 'someone' for my benefit. This woman works part time as an emergency room nurse and makes almost as much as her husband. She told me what it was like for her to grow up in a southern home where daddy makes all decisions and money and it seems pre-historic to me.



Albyonfloats
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I grew up in small town Texas, hello 1950

You'd think I had asked for gender reassignment but kept the goatee the way some of my home town folks look at me.  But since I don't live there, I really don't care. Prevailing attitudes where you live are not a small thing, but what is best for you, your wife & the kids' well being are the most important things.

If you can cook a little & clean a lot, you'd be the perfect housekeeper for someone else, so why not your own family? Lipska dad said it,

"She comes home to our children running to her, the house is somewhat clean (hey, I’m not mary friggin poppins), and dinner is ready. I’m her hero. Can you put a price tag on the mental relief of being financially, physically, and emotionally healthy?" 

Couldn't have said it better myself & the Mary Friggin Poppins comment was awesome. Some weekend soon, send her out for a couple hours, leaving you with the kids & the house a bit messy.  Muster up the domestic army & get to cleaning so that when she comes home, the house looks nice, people are fed & the kids are busy playing or reading or whatever.  Light a couple candles to make the place smell nice too. (Scent is the sense most tied to memory so having a nice smelling house is a memory she won't soon forget. Sure it's sort of cheating, but all's fair in love & war, right?)

Just give her a glimpse of a future that doesn't include coming home to piles of clutter & laundry everywhere & the kids swinging from the ceiling fans while you're passed out on the couch in a sweat-stained wife beater with a beer in your hand & NASCAR on the tv. Sell her on the dream or she'll always only see the nightmare.

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uptown
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Good luck Chris, it can be

Good luck Chris, it can be hard to change someone's mind about these things.

I wonder if your wife accepts a glass ceiling at work at part of her traditional

views.

I can testify that the maternal instinct doesn't automatically make the mother

better for raising children than the father. My wife has told me repeatedly that she

couldn't stay at home all day with the ankle biter constantly demanding her attention!

 

As you discuss this with her, there is a big difference between talking her into it,

and having her 'on board' with the idea.  Try to form your arguments around

ways it would work for her as well as the family.



ajmorris2
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Whew, tough one, man!

Hello to ChrisB;

Lots of good comments here which I hope have helped you. I am a stay at home dad with twin almost 9 year olds. When making our decision, it was not real hard. My wife liked her job and made more than me. She also had the insurance. I was floating aimlessly career-wise (as usual) because my real goal is to not work. We were somewhat anti-daycare for same reasons you are. However I also know people whose kids are better off due to being at DC. Depends on parents and the DC. I have been with my kids without any help for 7 years now. Listen, it is a job but its one you do because you love them and want to be around them. Maybe if you approached it from that tack with the Mrs. I also have worked part time on and off so that takes off financial pressure and keeps wifey happy too. I also do a lot of the rest of the stuff around the house: all finances, yardwork, home maintainance, doctor's appts. Cleaning, shopping and cooking we share. Curious what friends and family think of your idea? Maybe people closest to her could sway her? Also realize that although SAHDs are gaining in popularity, we are still a minority. there will be biases: playgrounds which are almost all women, older male relatives like dad and dad in law(mine were a pain in the rear in accepting me as the at home parent). I do agree that you must have her support and that it may be that you reach a compromise which works great. Do not rule out marital counseling before your child is born either as the wrong decision here will put a lot of stress on the marriage. I'd Love to hear your response and help any way I can.

Andy M.



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