battling traditonal roles for financial secuirty

mcolan
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I see that many of you dads have taken on the stay at home role because your spouses make more $ and it just makes sense.  My wife makes $25K/year more than I do and has refused to even talk about the possibility of me staying at home full-time and having her work full-time (she works PT now).  Recently I was laid off from my job and am starting to get used to the stay at home role.  My wife now has to decide whether she will go back to school as a teacher FT in the fall or whether she will continue in the part-time role. 

We have a 17 month daughter and another one on the way in May.  I wonder from you experienced dads how best to breech the subject of my staying at home.  My wife has insisted that it's just something she "needs" to do as the baby's mother and that I really need to get my career going.  However, it seems to me that I should be the one working PT if necessary, as I could even work all summer when myy wife was off of school.  How do you convince your wife that financial stability is the best decision here?  Looking forward to some good input. 




Electriclime
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We viewed it from the

We viewed it from the perspective of 'what's best for the baby and what makes the most sense financially?'  We couldn't have afforded to live on my income alone, but we can do just fine on my wife's income.  I am still working on weekends to save some extra money, but that will only last until child # 2 comes along.

 

The trick is you both need to be on the same page with this issue or it can create problems in the relationship.

 

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maxnrobinsdad
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my two cents

i'm a 10 yr veteran with 2 kids, and even though my wife and i were in basic agreement about who would stay home before our kids arrived, we still had to work a lot of things out as we went along.  in fact, we still do.

what we try to keep in mind is this (and you guys already know this): it is all about the kids first: the questions of income stability, medical coverage, all these considerations should be taken with the kids' needs in mind - then you can start talking about job satisfaction, who should be the "mommy/daddy", career development, etc. and it also shouldn't be an issue of who's the provider, because both of you are your kids' providers - in differing ways, sure, but equally important, IMO.

some things i did learn: my staying home and being a primary caregiver does not diminish my wife's role as mother/nurturer/etc., nor does it diminish me as a man/husband/hunter/gatherer/whatever.  yes, some days that's easier to see in hindsight, but my wife and i do our best to talk about how we feel about the reversal of some roles,  whether or not things seem fair or right, whether we feel the other was or wasn't holding up to their responsibilities.  in other words, we talk as much as we can.

the other thing is that the time i get to spend with my kids as they grow up, whether it's feeding them, cleaning up after them, yelling at them or having fun with them, that time isn't taken away from time spent with their mother.  again, easier said.  but i think my wife also sees that because her kids are looked after by someone whom she trusts, and who loves them as much as she does, it helps her to not worry as much about their safety and their welfare, or about whether she should spend more time at home, or if she's being a good enough mother.  besides, the better the kids are looked after when she's at work, the better kind of time they get to spend together when she gets home.

i hope that helps.  good luck to all of you.



mcolan
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Thanks for the input. 

Thanks for the input.  These are tough economic times and many people are making the difficult choices, one they never thought was in the relm of possibilities.  When I consider that we woud have to pay $1800/month for child care, I begin to wonder if it's even worth it to pay for day care.  And when one spouse is a teacher, that frees up 15 months/year where I can work. 

My wife and I actually talked about it for the first time tonight, and she seemed resigned to the fact that perhaps this is a real possibility.  Her new concern is now how taking 3-4 years off from the workforce affects one's abliity to return at a future date.  Employment gaps are never a good thing, but I'm hoping that down the road our economic will come back and a simple "i was a stay at home dad for 3 years" would be a sufficient explanation.

Have you any experience about returning dads to the workforce and impressions from employers?



Hogan
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Michael,

There is more info to read in another post "(possible) Soon to be SAHD, Wife doesn't approve".

Tina (also a teacher) and I made the same salary but she had the medical benefits.

I think the more you reassure your wife that you really want to be the stay-at-home parent the more comfortable and supportive she will be with you staying home. Pointing out all the benefits of a dad being home will also help too.

I like Maxnrobinsdad's point.  Tell your wife that her working/role as primary breadwinner doesn't diminish her role as a mother/nurturer.  I know many working husbands who are great dads and nurturers.

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Bill S
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I agree. My wife makes 5

I agree. My wife makes 5 times what I can make. It made zero sense to have me work as well, then put the kid in daycare to be raised by strangers, and my takehome pay after daycare costs would equal $2-3/hour.

 

I guess we could have stuck with what society tells you (ie, the man must be bread-winner) and live in poverty instead of us being pretty comfortable. Now if someone wants to cough up the money that my wife makes at work, and let her stay home so I can make a lousy $8-9 an hour...cool.

 

As for what to put on the resume, well...I can honestly say that I'd been providing care for an invalid family member, helping take care of my dying mother-in-law, and recovering from chronic Lyme's Disease (I am well now, but we can't say for sure/prove that I'm free of it).



Albyonfloats
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Our switch was mostly financial but....

Back when I transitioned into this role the 2nd (current) time, my wife was making about 1 1/2 times what I was making & she was doing it in less time away.  Do NOT underestimate the time factor.  If she makes twice as much in 3/4 the time, is she REALLY missing out as much as you would be if the situation were reversed?  Run the numbers & see which of you makes not just the most, but the most per hour.  Factor in the time away & it'll probably skew the numbers in your favor & make the position more obvious. If not, burn the paper lest it fall into enemy hands. Cool

Since I came home, at least up until the economy took a giant sh!t, my wife was up to triple my best efforts financially.  As bittersweet a pill as that was to swallow, it just reminded me that in my career, I was NEVER going to get to where she got in only two years, even if I worked there for a hundred years. Our insurance was through the same company, so that was a wash, but you can't just look at today, you have to look at tomorrow and next month and next year, etc to see the possible outcomes.  

What are her opportunities for advancement/pay increases, etc?  What are yours if you go back to work? Not to completely over-generalize, but men are mostly logical creatures, whereas women tend to be more emotionally based in their decision making. Remember this when you present the perfectly logical argument for why you should be home & she looks @ you like were explaing the advantages of the Cover 2 defense & ignores everything you just said.  She is thinking about all those things she's going to miss by not being home; baby's first steps, first words, etc & the maternal instinct is incredibly strong in some women. She may or may not feel this way, but you are never going to convince her that the value of her medical benefits package far outweighs being home for little Johhy's first steps, first day of school, etc. Best to pick an argument you have a remote chance of winning. Tell her how much you want to be home & then SHOW her you're up to it.  In her mind, she's picturing a trashed house & piles of laundry she'll be coming home to every day & I guarantee she doesn't want to work all day & then come home to the same domestic workload.  Make sure she doesn't have to worry about that & chances are she'll be more receptive to you at home full time.

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OceanDweller
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Great posts thus far and really agree with all.  It will likely be hard getting her to change her mind I would think but you can always lay it out like this.  Look up day care cost and time and see if she would really want you to work.  25% more is quite a bit and is a little less than my wife makes compaired to what I would make but I would still really consider being a stay at home dad.  For one thing I honestly enjoy it but I have a lot of hobbies to keep my busy.  I think if that were reversed with my wife it wouldn't be nearly as enjoyable.  I enjoy being able to watch our daughter and am not planning on doing it forever but am not knocking the guys that do.  After seeing good childcare centers I can see where parents need to become more involved with there kids develpment, "just look at the country right now as a collective whole".  You can make a pretty strong argument that family values are flying out the window left and right.  I am pretty moderate in thought but staying at home has allowed me to do things with my daughter that I would have a stranger be doing.  I take her to the pool often, we go to the beach, I teach her how to cook, clean, laundry, just some things off the top of my head they would not get from a day care.

Brad



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