Am I Alone Here?

dkremers_1965
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I've been reading through a bunch of posts where many dads are talking about how the deciision for who would be the stay-at-home-parent was based on who made more money.  That so was not the case with us.  I was making almost double of what my wife was making when we made the decision that I would stay home.  My job (I was a teacher) had some things going on that neither she nor I agreed with ethically and we knew it was time for me to find another job.  At the time we were already considering her staying home so it was an easy decision that I would do so instead.  Although we have had to do without some extras, we have never regretted that decision.  Extras are exactly that, extra.  Our kids are lacking in nothing and the youngest has benefitted from having dad to himself all day while big brother and sister are at school.  Is there anyone else in here whose decision wasn't based on money?  I'm just curious.

 

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Not Alone...

My wife had a stable job with decent benefits, but that was not the only reason.  I was working in the sporting goods business and making a decent salary around $4oK when our company went bankrupt and shut down.  I had other job offers, but none really excited me.  My daughter had been in a home daycare about 20-25 hours a week with me taking care of her the rest while my wife worked (retail had me working evening and weekends with usually a weekday off with my daughter).  Her first daycare provider was diagnosed with cancer and gave up daycare.  Her second decided after a couple months to move.  So we were looking at finding a third daycare in less than half a year.  I threw the idea out to my wife about staying at home and working part-time.  Since I had been taking care of my daughter quite a bit of time, I knew I could handle it.  I have steadily worked part time evenings and weekends throughout my adventure to help us get by.  Nine years and two more kids later, I am still going strong...as is our marriage.  My wife likes the structure of the M-F workweek and I don't mind having a varying schedule through the week.  I think its convenient to put out the money reason for most guys, but I think in most cases its not that simple.  Most of the dads that I have met who made the decision mostly for financial reasons seem to struggle much more.  I personally enjoy raising the kids and being around the home. 



ZigZaggin
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Not just the money...

Our decision was not based entirely on money.  I was working full-time (teaching high school) and my wife was teaching night classes at the community college.  She loved her part-time job and I hated my full-time job.  When the community college offered her a full-time position, the choice of what to do was very easy to make.  The fact that her new job paid as much as we were both making before just made the decision that much easier.  At the time our youngest was only 8 months and I know my wife would have preferred to have stayed home longer, but she had to take the opportunity when it was available.  We've never regretted the decision.  She loves her job, and I love being the one at home.  Now we sometimes wonder why we didn't do it sooner.  (I've been the one at home for 2 years now.)



Mr. Dad
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Not Sure if This Counts

I was working full time in sales until our first daughter was about a year old.  At that point I went to help my wife with issues and projects in her practice.  This was full-time as well, but as the issues and projects resolved it became part-time.  Once I became part-time we took my daughter out of daycare 3 days a week.  Once we did this, we realized the flexibility it allowed us as a family to have someone available to the kids at all times.  My wife was now able to come home, and not worry about making dinner or cleaning up.  Her only major chore each night is to enjoy the kids.  I am able to be with my girls (we have 2 now), as well as get things done around the house.  The overall stress level dropped for both of us.  Because of this we decided I would not go back to work full-time anytime soon.

So in my situation, me staying home just kind of happened.  It was not planned, and we never had any intention of one of us staying home.  I am able to stay home because of her income (which is more than I can make in sales), but wasn't the reason I stayed home.  I would add that it was the best thing fate has ever handed me.



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Money, and...

Sure. our decision was financial, but really the deciding factor was personality.  I am much more suited for this work than she, and she can earn more than me (by far).  So, I'm not sure if that fits your criteria, but the money part was really just bonus.  We decided before our first was even conceived, and I'm in my 8th year.  I should point out this is my only job, so my stresses are that much lower because I don't have a 'side gig'.

 

 

Jim - Boulder, CO - Dad to Cole, Luke & Trev



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Not just the money...

We would've made this choice regardless.



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I'm more nurturing than my wife

Plus shes better at bringing in the dough.....So it wasn't a money thing...More like a who would be better at raising our kids.

 

Chef Kev



michael45
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FAMILY REASONS

My wife has a good job and we had along discusion before we agreed that I would stay at home it is working well for us and I wouldn't change it for anything .It is so much easier to go to my kids school functions when you don't have to worry about changing days with other parents .I have only been doing this for about three months  The only problem I have is how narrow minded some people are you get comments like how can you live off your wife and thats from family members  any suggestion on how to tell people nicely what I am doing with out get p.o.at them



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Pretty much the money

I like a lot of you guys am far out earned by my wife... including benefits.  But now having been home a year and 1/2 I think it really makes the most sense for me to be home.  I can still work from home PT doing my side gig, she still likes going to work, and I think we are equally suited for the baby raising.  Plus it's much easier for me to get away on nights and weekends too.



ajmorris2
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Its a complex yet simple decision

For my wife and I it was easy: I was a lazy no good slacker with no career and she wasn't. She did make more than me and had been a teacher for years. She liked her job and needed her flexibility outside of work do do stuff like Yoga and dance class. I enjoy keeping it simple and wanted to raise my own kids. I've been home with my kids now for almost 9 years and I have never regretted it. I really have had more problems other things like: Being the only male/dad on the playground (esp. when they were younger) and not being accepted by moms. Having the elder males (my father and in law accept what we chose to do and not disrepect that decision or me or think I was just being lazy or less than a "man" cause I was not the breadwinner. Also there is some loneliness I must admit. But as far as why we had one of us stay home: It was the best things for the kids (and Us!). When I look back at the closeness that I have with both of my girls ,Age 8, I'll never ever think "I could have been working instead."

Andy M.



Hogan
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Best Person for the Job

Tina worked as a teacher and I owned a business.  Our income was equal but we had high hopes that my business would eventually be very lucrative in a few years.  It was very difficult for me to give up my dream of creating a wallpaper empire but becoming the at-home parent just felt like the right decision.  Tina had the benefits and job security with tenure as a teacher so it was an easy choice.  

The major factor, however, in our decision was that I had a better personality for being home with the kids.  And neither of us thought that Tina had an advantage over me just because she was a woman.  And it didn't take long for me to prove that we had made the correct choice.   

What can I say. I was good at it.  I think a large part of the reason was because I really, really....enjoyed and loved being the at-home parent.  I was having too much fun!  

The initial plan was for me to stay home for three years until our youngest at the time, Wesley, entered elementary school.... thinking that I would have extra time to get a job and supplement our income...Hah!  

In 1993, Tina and I extended my at-home dad contract by having a third child, Matt. 

When Matt entered elementary school, Grant, our oldest, had entered middle school and I realized that our boys needed me at home more during their teenage years then they did when they were babies.  So Tina and I made a commitment for me to stay home until Matt finished high school. 

I have two and a half years left on my contract before I hit the empty nest stage.  And I’m already going through separation anxiety. 

I’m going on my 19th year and being an at-home dad has been the most fulfilling career I’ve ever had.  

With respect to the money issue, I decided that I can always make more money but I can never make up the time I didn’t spend with my kids. 

Enjoy and have fun while you can guys. 

Keep On Daddying!



JohnGilroy
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50/50

For us the money wasn't significantly different but my wife's conditions of employment and job satisfaction are better. I didn't want to spend 40+ hours a week in front of a computer and miss my kids growing up either.

As Layoffs Surge, Women May Pass Men in Job Force

I saw this story today in the NYT but the reverse happens too. I know a few guys who have gone back into the workforce because of the recession. Either their wives got laid off or the downturn affected her business.

 



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Sort of

When we found out my wife was pregnant the first time, I was burnt out, depressed, and needed a huge break from corporate america.  My wife made more money than I did, she likes working, and I have a better temperment with the kids.  We thought I would stay home "temporarily", which meant we would figure it out later.  Then the kids just kept coming, four in all, and here I am today.  Then there was the issue of working to pay for daycare in which someone else raises our children, gets to experience the joy of our kids, and we don't.  I have found this to be a common reason for men staying home.  Why put up with the work crap, commute, drop off in the morning, pick up at night, be so tired that you don't pay much attention to the kids, then get up and do it all over again?  We are the real dads, real men because we didn't go to work, act tough, make the money, and settle for daycare.  We actually went the opposite direction.  A great example of responsibility, priorities, and leadership.

Charlie

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Thepfam6
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Well

said Hogan:  "I decided that I can always make more money but I can never make up the time I didn’t spend with my kids."  Exactly.  My son Jonathan is 11 and the other day his two friends came over.  They decided to explore the woods behind my house like I used to do with Jonathan when he was 3!  As I watched them walk away toward the woods, I had a rush of sadness and jealousy hit me like a ton of bricks.  It was a brief panic attack like my life flashing before my eyes.  It took me by surprise and made me realize that this isn't going to be the only one.  Parenting highs are indescribable, but the lows are hell.

Charlie

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Feeling Isolated

Andy M.,  you said a lot of the same things I am feeling and thinking, with 9 years experience can you impart some wisdom?  

Part of my story: I started taking care of my daughter full-time 3 years ago and now my newborn son.  My wife and I decided that one of us should stay home with the kids, she makes twice what I could and because we felt that it was the best thing for the kids. I'm still trying to cope with some lonliness, a sense of emasculation and a loss of self-confidence.  I'd always been a social, confident and out going person but since I'd taken on this role as "Mommy-Daddy" as my daughter calls me, I have a hard time making new friendships, maintianing the relationships I have or feeling good about what I am doing. I know child rearing is an extremely important job and people tell me that I'm good at it, but again I feel like I'm going through the motions, buying time untill they're older and more independent.  What is compounding these feelings is the dissonance between the way I feel and how I think.  Again, I know that I should be home with my kids, it's got to be much better than some stranger earning minimum wage at a daycare raising them, but I feel trapped and lost.  I'm struggling here and I'm not sure if I can do this much longer. 



Hogan
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Another Perspective

Monoamore and Andy H.  

Sorry to hear that you're struggling.  

Have you ever taken a moment to sit down and reflect on the great times you've had with your kids?  

I kept a journal for 8 years in which I wrote down events about my kids, most of them funny.  (Wished I had never stopped.) Whenever I felt depressed I read through them.  I also watched videos I took of the kids.  I was surprised to see how much fun I was having and how much I was really doing for my kids and they were doing for me.  

I'm more confident, social and outgoing person because of my at-home dad experience.  It has also enhanced my relationships with other people, especially my wife.  

Side story:  A working dad asked me, "Hogan, how do you stay home with your kids and put up with the whining and childish behavior?"  As if to suggest that being an at-home parent was a war zone 24/7 with no benefits or rewards.  People paint such a bleak picture of what it's like to be a stay-at-home parent.  I just never bought into it.

"Dave, the whining and misbehaving is few and far between.  And the good times far out weigh the tough times.  Can I ask you a question?" 

"Sure."

"Do you work and deal with adults who whine, complain and act childish everyday?"

"Yes."

"At least the behavior of my children is age appropriate and I have the ability to change their behavior."

Each of us has the power of choice to change our attitude and outlook on life.  

 

 



iaprogrammer
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Decision to stay home??? Help!

Background: We are 37. My wife and i both work. Her salary is a little higher and all our benefits are through her work. We have two kids, 5 and 7.  All of our debt is paid, including house. We can easily live on one income. We are both proffessionals, but she enjoys her work much more than I do..and is much more stable. Problem: Crazy, Busy lifestyle..go..go..go.. Summer and after school daycare issues.(injuries in the past year or so) Questions: We are trying to decide if me staying home would be the best thing. Currently when we get off..we run..run..run, to clean, eat, homework, practice, etc...until we fall down. Weekends are purely for catch up getting ready for the next week.  We dont seem to have much quality time to spend with each other or the kids. We were listing some of the possible benefits of me staying home: -Less rushed mornings...currently she is closer so has to drop off and usually picks up kids from daycare, this would be one thing that i could take off of her load. -Summers are an issue, we are currently leaving them with a good daycare, but with so much time at daycare during the summers, and so many kids, there has been a couple of head injuries over the past year...kids getting too rough, and we are looking at changing daycares. If i stayed home, i could have them for the summers. plus allot less $$$ for daycare -Afternoons are crazy...if i were to pick them up, i could have homework done, supper , yard, etc..and possibly baths, etc.. done before she gets home...so we have more time to spend instead our current schedule. -If i were able to get things done during the week, our weekends would be free to make plans and do things together. -Currently we use our vacation to cover days when both school and daycare is closed during the year, which shortens the amount of vacation time we have to spend together... Well, i guess my question is: all these reasons look good on paper, but do you think that this could work? has is worked for you? We just want to have a more relaxed and order life, instead of the crazy worked to death life we have now. -



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Re: iaprogrammer

I think your list of reasons you would stay home sums it up.  We started out with us both working, and since I started staying home the stress and quality time together is so much better for all the reasons you mentioned.  I get time with the kids all day, while maintaining the household stuff, so when my wife comes home all she has to do is enjoy the kids (and I like to think she enjoys me more too).  Sometimes I don't even know what day of the week it is, cause it doesn't matter.  That is a good thing.

We both hated the dreaded drop off/pick up from daycare, and now my wife gets home earlier and gets to spend relaxing time with them in the morning instead of us trying to whisk them out the door.

If you can afford to do it, you won't regret it.  Neither will she.



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Thanks Follow Up

Hogan, thanks for the words of encouragement and another perspective.  I was just feeling a little "dark" a few nights ago after getting my ass kicked all day by my 3 yr old daughter.

Thanks again.



Hogan
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You're Welcome

Take a moment to pat yourself on the back for all the great work you do as a stay-at-home dad.  

Then kiss your wife and thank her for all the work she does as the financial provider for the family.

Keep On Daddying!  



Suckerg
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Feeling Isolated

I've been a stay at home dad for 5 1/2 years now. we have 2 girls, 5 and 2. My wife made more money than me and for us it was a no brainer. My wife would have much rather stayed at home but she made twice my salary. We also live away from family so we rarely have visitors to help. As a man staying home you get that feeling of isolation esp. at parks, playgroups. I'm in a playgroup that meets once a week with 8 other mom's. I'm the only male. It's odd, you don't know what to talk about most of the time and you don't want to give off any weird vibes. You always hear stories of a lot of men who stay at home but I rarely ever see them out. We go to storytime at the library and they'll be 30 women there and me. The winters are especially difficult being stuck in the house. Our oldest is in Kindergarten so that helps a little since I'm just with one child a day, but my wife tends to work long hours and I do all the house chores. And then there is the decision of what to do when they are both in school full time. What kind of job can  I get or do I just stay at home and manage the house.? Plus I don't have many male friends since the dad's around me go to work and when they are home tend to do family things.



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RE: Feeling Isolated

We've all been there. If I hadn't ran into an at-home dad at community playgroup, who knows where I would be today. I tried finding a group online, but had no luck. But, there WAS a group online, I just didn't find it. Here's my advice: 1. Keep going to the mom's playgroup; it is uncomfortable at times, but let's face it, you're in a woman's world and you got to fit in a bit (yeah, I'm the lone guy at the PTO meetings). Plus, it is great for your kids. 2. Keep searching for an at-home dad group in your area; there's one there, you just haven't found it yet. 3. If you don't find one, start your own. A yahoo groups page is easy to set up (see ours at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/linomadads/). 4. Come to the At Home Dad Convention on Oct. 10 in Omaha. You'll meet more at home dads than you can shake a stick at (and a few that will become fast friends).

We're in this together.

Al 14th Annual At Home Dad Convention www.athomedadconvention.com



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Hi monoamore, interesting to

Hi monoamore,

interesting to hear that you in the US have the same problems like I have here in Germany. Society doesn´t accept the role

of SAHD. I think that is themain reason for beeing isolated.

So we should not be caught by society and instead learn to do what is good for our children and ourselfs.

It´s along process (I am working on it for over 9 years :-) but it´s worth it.

Regards

Hans

Men who change diapers change the world



alan68
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Gas!

My wife did out-earn me, but I think one of the main driving forces (no pun intended) that led to my decision to be the homemaker was my job being 45-50 minutes from home and having to fill up my truck twice or three times a week.  This was when gas was a bit higher than it is now.  I love the fact that I don't have to deal with interstate traffic on a daily basis and can go longer between fill-ups, even though our new Taurus X gets lousy mileage.  Dealing with idiots on the road was one of the biggest sources of stress in my life.  Now that's gone and good riddance!

So why don't they call it mooching when the wife stays home?



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our values or someone elses

Our reasons for me staying home with the kids  were 1) we didn't want someone elses values (daycare or babysitter) instilled in our daughters development. this was the main reason I started staying home, but not the only one. 2) daycare for twins at the time would have been to much of a financial strain and neither of us was comfortable with that. 3) I was exausted, I was working a 7 - 8 shift, when I got home, my wife would be leaving, I only slept when the girls slept. This might have been 2-3 hours sleep for me in any 24 hour period. We later found out I had sleep apnea which was in part why I was so tired. 4) then can the decision, my wife was making nearly triple what I was so for my health and the stability of out children I was the obvious choice in staying home.

Bob Boisvert SAHD since 2000 with Jennifer & Sarah (11 years) and Grace (8)



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The big move

We moved to Salt Lake City for my wife's new job, and my company let me work remotely full time.  So I am still working full time and taking care of our daughter, though she is only 6 months old and I have now been doing it since August.  She certainly does out earn me being a physician, but it just worked out that I was able to stay at home.  And this way we are able to save on day care/nanny for her.  The other good thing is that I am more of the home body and my wife is the work workaholic.  One of my job requirements is that I do not want to work more then a 40 hour work week since I had a dad that worked 16+ hours a day, and since I left the office, I have been working about 20 hours a week and getting more done since I have no interruptions from others at work, just the good kind of interruptions, the little one!

As for a group of dads, there are a few dads that are either not working, or they work on the weekends in my area, so we have a good thing going here.



teacher2sahd
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Similar Situation

I am in a similar situation.  My wife and I moved to Arizona so I could teach, finding a job in Chicago is nearly impossible.  We didn't have a son then, now we do, so to get back to Chicago, cause we do not want to raise our son in Arizona, I might become a sahd.  Time will tell what happens.  She already had a job interview for her old job and should find out soon if she gets it.



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