Would anyone here honestly consider writing a book?

Albyonfloats
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The economy being what it is these days, there are going to be more of us, some willing & some not.  I've been doing this for almost six years now & while I didn't get into this to become an author, I do feel that maybe somebody ought to speak up/out about this life & it's rewards/challenges.  There are a dozen books out there on the subject though only half are still in print it seems & none seem to be found on the bookshelves at any of the major chains anyway. I don't think my experiences are entirely unique, so there might be some useful stuff there, if only as a cautionary tale.  So here are the questions:

1)  Would/have any of you considered wiriting a book about being a sahd?

2)  If you did, would you make it more "how to" or more anecdotal in content?

3)  If you did, would you use your real name?  How about your kids' names?

4)  How specific/detailed would you dare to be?  

This last one is a real tough one for me.  I wrote stuff down in a journal for years just so I would have the memories & some of it is hilarious, but potentially embarrassing for my kids once they get a little older.  Also, there are some serious issues we deal with in this "job" but some are of a very delicate nature involving intimacy, sex and other borderline subjects that might not be fit for public consumption but are no less real in their impact on the relationship.  Do I turn a blind eye or take them head on?

Any thoughts, concerns, comments would be truly appreciated.




PittCaleb
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yes

I have long wanted to write a book.  I've been doing this for 7.5 years now and have run the gammut from being ostracised at the playground to some moms feeling a bit "too" comfortable around me, if you know what I mean.  I have great foddor for a sorta-first person "life as a stay at home dad" with some great antedoctal stories in there.

The problem is my wife is an excellent writer and editor and I would truly want to work on the book with her, but while doing that, I think it would be more difficult.  Not that she couldn't accecpt what I would want to write or say, but that it would be easier for her to read than to hear and help write, re-write and edit some of the stories.  I don't know.

Funny thing is just the other day I found the title for my book while out for a walk.  It's too great to share here (correct, I don't trust ANY of you!) - but suffice it to say, it's a risk enough title that it would truly grab your attention, probably more than necessary, so much so though that I can't even bring myself to tell my wife what it is...

Long answer short - yeah - I'd love to write a book and think I have enough material for half to 3/4 of one...

PittCaleb



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Yeah

but not a personal story as much as a how-to...from the decision process to things you need to know.

 

I just don't think being a SAHD is interesting enough to become a whole book.  I mean how many pages of weird looks, "that's awesome," "I wish MY husband would do that," "when are you returning to work" can we write.

 

However our KIDS have great memoirs ready to go.

 

Josh SAHD Since August 2005



Hogan
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Been There Done It Twice

I’ve written and published two books on fatherhood. 

Writing a book is the easy part.   Finding an agent and publisher are the hard part.  Yeah, you can self-publish butmajor bookstores will not let you have shelf space in their stores.  They only accept books from publishing firms.  And publishers will not take on writers without an agent. 

My first  book “The Man Who Would Be Dad” Capital Books, was based on a journal I kept for 8 years as an at-home dad at my wife’s suggestion.   

The second “The Modern Mom’s Guide to Dads; Ten Secrets Your Husband Won’t Tell You” Cumberland House, was written for moms.   I co-authored it with a mom.  Which made it more marketable and appealing to the publisher.   No one had ever tried this angle before.  The original title I had was “Men Behaving Dadly:What Dads Want Moms To Know”  but the publisher didn’t like the title.  I was not happy but their wasn’t much I could do about it. 

Both books were difficult to pitch and close a deal in a good economic market.  In today’s economy it will be harder.   It took five years from the time I came up with the idea to the time the book made it the bookstore.   That is about the average.

Fatherhood is a much more challenge topic to pitch and sell to publishers for various marketing reasons.   Much of it has to do with the real life bias and stigma fathers (not just at-home dads) experience everyday.  

Some Examples: 

Publishers and bookstores based on their research in which 80% of people who buy books are women will not take the same risk on a book about fatherhood that they will on motherhood.  Their contention is that not enough men would buy books on fatherhood to make it profitable.    I think they are missing the boat.  Their general research is not a fair assessment of whether men will or will not buy books on fatherhood because the research includes romance novels and other books men will never buy.  I believe that men will buy and read books on how to be better husbands and fathers. Men can’t buy books on fatherhood if they are not on the shelf.  

Another idiotic response I received was that women spend the money to buy books.  As if to suggest that men won't.  To which I also replied, "There are a lot of working fathers who earn the money so that their stay-at-home wife can buy the book!"  

Fatherhood books don’t receive as much shelf life as motherhood books.   Most books on fatherhood have to be special ordered at the bookstore.

Fatherhood books don’t get equal space in the parenting section. 

Parenting section is inundated with books on motherhood and trying to find a fathering book is a real chore.  What bookstores should do is have a section for dads and one for moms so when men go into the bookstore they can just grab and go.   That’s how men shop. 

Why is it that a man is expected to read books on motherhood but a mom is exempt from reading books on fatherhood?  I know this for a fact because I experienced this with my wife, Tina, and from an exercise that I’ve conducted during my workshops for moms and childbirth instructors.  I ask the moms how many of them expected their husbands to read a book about what a woman goes through as a mom.  They all raise their hands.  Then, I ask how many of them have read a book on fatherhood to learn about what a man goes through as a father.  None of them raise their hand.   And up until I wrote my book which was twelve years after our first son’s birth Tina had never read a book on fatherhood. 

It is my contention that our culture and moms unknowingly and unintentionally do more to discourage than encourage men to be involved dads.   I site many examples of it in “The Modern Mom’s Guide to Dads.”

I also note in my book that the struggles men face in wanting to become more involved in the caretaking responsibilities (working or at-home dad) are similar to that of the women who attempted to break into corporate America and the good ole boys club.

I’m sharing this advice not to discourage any of you but rather to prepare you for the challenges that come with publishing a book and becoming an advocate on fatherhood.   

I think there are plenty of fathers who have great advice and insight to offer and would love to help them get their books published.  Unfortunately, the deck is stacked against you. 

Both books did not do well sales wise, however, money was not the only motivation.   I was driven to write them because I wanted to make a difference.

I made more money from my speaking engagements (which weren't a whole lot) than I did from book sales.  And that has been the case with many other authors I know. 

The biggest tip I can give you is to keep writing because you never know when the next opportunity will come along.   I’ve always believed in the adage “Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.   Our culture has not been very receptive to hearing a man’s perspective on fatherhood but that doesn’t mean you should stop trying.   Hopefully, by the time you've finished writing the book proposal our culture will be ready to listen.  

I will be at the convention and would be happy to share my experience and answer more questions in hopes of helping any of you get your book published.    BTW, I donated 25 of “The Modern Mom’s Guide to Dads” books as door prizes for the first-time attendees. 

Keep the faith. 

Make a difference.  One dad at a time. 

Keep On Daddying

 

 



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Collaborative effort

I've thought of organizing a collaborative book-writing effort for some time.   "The At Home Dad Bible: The Collective Wisdom of AtHomeDad.org" or something like that.   I'm not exactly sure how it would be done, but the idea would be to create a wide-ranging book of wisdom (with some to-be-determined mix of practical and philosophical).  There would be multiple contributors who would all share somehow in the (likely very minimal) profits.  I would edit and organize and probably contribute some text as well.

We would then, of course, all be on Oprah and sell millions of copies to her product-buying minions.  Wink

Any interest?

 

 



philipandrew
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Been done

Check out "The Stay-At-Home Handbook" by Peter Baylies.  It is a great book that has already used these ideas (except Hogan's).  I'm surprised that there aren't more posts on here about dads wanting to write a book about being an at home dad.  It seemed like the first few years I attended the convention, there were numerous guys that said they were working on a book. 



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I Have Thought About It

I have thought about it because I am a father of twins and it seems that most of the books already available out there are from parents of singletons versus multiples.  The hard part for me is really knowing what to say, having the time to write it and finding a quality editor and literary agent who would be able to help me along the way of having it published.  I would love to get in contact with someone who is more skilled at writing a book than I am who would be willing to help me out in coming up with this book that would be both factual and sharing of my adventures with my twins.



Albyonfloats
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Chitownman you should definitely explore your angle

My neighbor has twins and there is a very active group of families of twins in our area, but to my knowledge, none of the father's are sahds.  If you check the shelves of your local bookstores or on Amazon or wherever, you'll find several books about twins, but most are mom-focused like everything else.

Being the sahd to a set of twins gives you at least a more unique perspective than a regular sahd, but the problem you might encounter is exactly what Hogan mentioned, it may be too narrow a demographic to try and sell to.  Still, it does give you an angle that few others have.

 

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.



Albyonfloats
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Hogan thanx for your input.

I had researched your book "Modern Mom's Guide to Dads" and then put it on my list of "competing titles" for my book.  As part of my proposal which I am roughly 80% done writing, I also referenced the "The Stay-At-Home Handbook" by Peter Baylies.  I countered it's existence as being a compilation of ideas, stories and practices by a group of sahds since that is what it is.  I said it "lacked a common voice" (beyond the solely male perspective) and was less likely to have individuals relate to it because you never really got the chance to get to know any one man/family.

You are dead on about getting published as well.  It's a long slow process, though I try to remember a couple of things about it:

1)  I'm not doing this for the money.

2)  The book "Chicken Soup for the Soul" was rejected 129 times before it got picked up.  And how many different versions of that book are there now?

3)  This is fun for me for the most part.  I enjoy the process of writing and remembering the things we've done and the lessons I and we have learned.

One update on your figures about women making up 80% of the marketplace, that is the non-fiction market. They make up less of the fiction market ironically.

Thanx again for your insight.  I look forward to meeting you and a continued dialogue on this and other subjects.

Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.



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It's an interesting idea...

I agree, however, that many books already exist or are in press.  In fact, I was interviewed for a book about SAHD's that is due out in Spring 2009. 

Still I have considered this idea frequently.  What sort of ideas do you have?

 



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You're Welcome

Albyonfloats,

Been sick.  Just read your post today.  If you want to ask me more questions off site, email me at hilling@roadrunner.com

Good luck.



msbleary
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I'm thinking about one

I'm really new at being a sahd (in fact, I identify right now as a psychologist who is staying home with his kids more than as a stay at home dad so far), but I'm thinking about writing a book, and I'd love feedback about the idea and also to see if there is any interest in collaborating.  I want to write something that captures the light and dark sides of the emotional experiences of parenting from a father's eye.  It's definitely not a how-to book, but one that will aim at capturing the range of experiences and emotions that fathers can go through (with the hope of normalizing a wide range of experiences).  I've started journaling, pretty much trying to make an entry at least once per day, and I'm trying to be as honest as possible about the successes and failures, the feelings of love and rage and boredom and joy and shame and peace  and ... that can come up each day.  I'm wondering if other people would also want to journal about their experiences (or to contribute from journals that they have written) to then analyze themes that emerge from people's writing.  I don't know what themes will emerge yet, but I'm imagining that there might be themes around identity, sense of competence in the home, dealing with authority and authority conflicts, ways people struggle to be similar to and different from their own parents (and how they learn new models), dealing with mistakes and failures, dealing with triumphs, dealing with not knowing how it's going, reactions to dependency, emotional reactions that surprise us as fathers, etc.

 

Any thoughts or reactions?

 



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Yes, new book on fatherhood coming this summer

I'm guessing the book referenced by mikeSAHD above is the book by Jeremy Adam Smith, lead blogger at daddydialectic and author of "The Daddy Shift" (not his preferred title, to echo Hogan's post...) which is coming out just before father's day this year, see http://www.jeremyadamsmith.com/ for his info (no, I'm not shilling for Jeremy, but I do know him and think he's a good guy).  So, add one more to your competitive analysis....  I'm guessing (and fear), the market a very, very small for at-home dad specific books.  In the current economic climate, something along the lines of "Stop blabbering, you are not a wuss just cause you lost your job and are now home with the kids.  You are a man because you have a penis, not because you earn money" might work...problem is that demographic can't afford to buy anything other than their balloning ARM mortgage right now...but I digress.

 

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Children's Book

I've kicked around the writing idea... but as a children's book geared toward explaining SAHD's.  Not sure of specifics, other than a catchy title (I too, don't trust any of you).  Based on research and all that's echoed here it's not going to be a capital gain sort of venture.  If anyone is thinking of writing a kid's book (or any book) there is some valuable advice on SoYouWanna.com:
http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/childbook/childbook.html



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Book should be anecdotal

There are so many "help" books out there, it seems a shame to add to the clutter.  Of course as men and women think so differently, maybe a book addressing the "homemaking" issues from a mans perspective would be a little different than the "run of the mill" books available.  But, either way, as has been mentioned, the market for the book is (maybe getting larger) so small. 

On the other hand, a humorous look at fatherhood taking in the guise of a SAHD would have a much broader appeal.  I too have thought about such a book and have written a couple of totally fictional articles about the general topic of winding up a stay home dad at http://blogonsc.com/archives/53.  Humor makes any subject have more universal appeal.

If you want to write, go for it.  Do it for the passion of the act, not the profit of the venture. 

SAHDs can blog too. Visit my site at BlogonSC



jayt316
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I have a book on this subject in the works

Talk about a timely forum!

I am a published author with one book on the market and another one due out this summer.  I am currently working on a book about SAHD for Loving Healing Press.  In fact, if you are interested in helping me out, I would really appreciate it.

All I ask is that you let me email you an informational survey on being a SAHD.  If you choose to help me out, I will include a special thank you to you in the book and send you a free copy once it is published.

Send me an email at jaykimtucker@yahoo.com and I will send you the survey.

 

Thanks,

 

Jay Tucker



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Great book on becoming a parent

 

Transition to parenthood by Dr. Belsky.  Has anyone read this?  Loved it!

And althrough some of the information is dated (most of the stay at home

folks were women), the experiences of the couples, and the person staying

at home, were very close to what I've gone through in the last 19 months.

Will take a survey if you like, or help collaborate on a SAHD book with

whoever. And will share any book titles I can suggest. : )

C

cbakker55@yahoo.com

 

 

 



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Count me in...

For anyone serious, I would be very interested in collaborating.  My background is mainly in Sociology and working with children aside from being a SAHD for 4 yrs.  I've been seriously considering writing something with an angle or angles very different from what has commonly been published.  I have to run but will check through this topic in full later.  Feel free to contact me by email.

Joe



dageyra
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Yep, and not just me

I not only want to write a book, I want to do it with my childrens' mother.  We both love to write, are adept at English, and we appreciate and complement one another's parenting ability.  There is a lot of information that we feel would be useful to many new parents, as a blend of experience anecdotes and tips and suggestions.  Topics would vary widely, but always focused around the child first mantra.  We want to do this not for the money, but it'd be nice to write follow-ups, etc, but to share knowledge in an area we feel is lacking that personal touch.  We would use examples of our own experience but also examples from others or situations we have come across, all to make the various points.  There is a wealth of information to share, I think books like these would be highly beneficial, particularly from a SAHD to another which is not a typical scenario and therefore not covered in "mainstream" literature.

--
Ryan


Daughter = Flower of the Earth
Son = Diety of the Sky
Mother = Light of our Life
Father = Me

 



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I have, anecdotal and no, never my kid's name ...

If we are some sort of a social economic phenomenon, I would love to be on the forefront of the telling.  I absolutely would NOT want to identify my child, to have her endure the same stigma I've had to endure in order to survive.

One size, does NOT fit all when it comes to raising children.  Different children definitely need/respond better to different situations. "Parenthood, the last great frontier."

Definitely be specific.

Arthur Johnson



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Not a big seller

The thought has crossed my mind, and I've had it suggested more than once, but my micro-niche is so tiny, I don't know what the audience would be.  Teacher's husband homeschooling an only child in an upscale NJ burb -- I think people might be looking for the wierd stuff, which just isn't there.  We're not the frickin' Duggers, we don't think the earth was magically plopped into space just 6000 years ago.  Yeah, I'm pro-choice.  No, I do not own a gun, nor do I live in a trailer.  Seems to me you need a major hook to sell.

That Homeschooling Dad



CK_Lunchbox
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Actually...

Actually there's two books coming out early next year about this:

"Daddy Where's Your Vagina" http://daddywheresyourvagina.com/index.html

&

"Sugar Milk: What One Dad Drinks When He Can't Afford Vodka" http://www.sugarmilkbook.com/



msmithivas
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I'd love to read such a book. I find that's an angle sorely missing in the whole canon of SAHD literature - the emotional rollercoaster of feelings that you go through each day.



rigadandoo
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Children's Book in the Bag

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I posted in February that I was thinking of writing a children's book that covered the SAHD topic because I couldn't find any others that did.  Finally got the motivation to go for it.  Thus "Maddi Patti and Her Stay-at-Home Daddy" was born.

 

I'll try not to make this look too much like an advertisement to promote book sales, but if you'd like to check it out feel free here.

If my advice is worth anything, I'd say to just sit down and do it because anyone can.

 



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