Looking for an answer, SAHD, 2nd job, divorce?

piccu9
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Hello,

You have to excuse my post but I have been researching for answers on other boards and thought I should just ask the experts.

Currently, my husband and I are grasping straws trying to figure out what is best for our 5 month old son. I'm trying to avoid a divorce but money and attitude are pushing me in that direction.

I make more than my husband which defaulted in me paying for 90% of the bills. My husband owns his own business but it's a discretionary income type product/service and with this economy, it's not doing good. At the most, he can only contribute $300 a week. When you have over $4k a month in bills, that $300 is currently going towards a friend who watches our son 3 days a week (we only pay her $50 for 3 days). But we have to find a PT nanny so that will soon be $250-300 a week for someone to watch our son.

I'm constantly in the red. I've cut all unnecessary things out of my life (cable, hosting services for my portfolio since I have a job) and did all utilities on a budget plan. I cut coupons, buy food on sale, etc. Our son has been on and off sick, had surgery, a week hospital stay, and has a milk protein allergy so expenses with him are adding up (formula alone is $110 every two weeks).

My husband has no degree or trade skills and quite frankly, a bad attitude with work. His business has been the ONLY job he ever stuck with because it's his way, his hours, and his interest. He "can't do" a 9-5 job with a boss. We tried that and it was a revolving door so I suggested he started his own business. However, who knew it was a constant spinning wheels and really getting nowhere.

He defaults on his side of bills (we have everything separate) so a typical $60 internet charge a month winds up being $150 because he skipped payments and it gets shut off. Seeing I telecommute and am a web manager, it's a requirement that the internet work.

Yet here is the problem. I told him that we need to sell our RV, his junky beater Corvette. He won't. I said that he needed a 2nd job. He wouldn't get one. I had to write a long email to him explaining hard facts of our $4k a month bills and how we are in the red yet him chosing to go golfing and away to the RV for a weekend was really a bad choice.

So I feel backed up to a wall about our situation. It feels like while everyone here had financial decisions to make, you guys made it work and work well. I'm lost, confused, and scared about our situation but I'm also very, very tired of it. Our son deserves classes if he wants to take them. He deserves braces if he needs them. He deserves to go to college. And I feel all of those are at risk with what's going on.

I'm writing to ask advice. Is our situation so out of control that a SAHD situation just wouldn't work? Is a bad attitude towards work and blowing off the seriousness of our situation just hopeless and divorce would be a financially sound answer? I don't want that at all because childcare would be back in the mix and I don't know how we would afford it divorced. His income is so bad at times where if we did divorce and he stuck with this business and nothing else supplemental, he couldn't afford to live on his own.

My friend's biggest issue with him is he has money for weed. My biggest issue is the not seeing that we are in dire need of some serious financial help/choices yet he thought golfing was ok?

Sorry if I invaded your space, guys. I'm just desperate to find the best solution for our son including if necessary propose a SAHD situation.

Thanks for your time.




SAHPops
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Plan and commit...

Initally, I was going to say CUT AND RUN!, but that isn't really helpful.  So here it goes...

You gave a lot of information, but left a couple of things out.  I am not asking the below questions to prompt a return post, rather to have you sit back and think it though.

First off; assuming the divorce was the only real choice, then think about the process.  You have 6 months (if my information is correct) for the divorce to go before the judge after it has been initiated.  The bottom line question is: who will get your son?  Are YOU clean?  His lack of steady employment coupled with the drug use is pretty much a killer (unless someone in his family steps in).

Secondly; where do you see yourself in a year?  Yep, goofy question, but your son will be around the 18 month mark, starting to talk and climbing the furniture.  Can you deal with that after a long day at work?  Is your job 'in home' or out of the home?  Do you have family that you can fall back on?

Third; think outside of the box.  What if YOU cleaned out and pack up his RV with your stuff and just left?  What about the 'baby step' of a financial separation (you are still married, but your bills are separate and noted by the courts)?  Ultimately think about (1) your son and (2) yourself.  Your husband is struggling, but are you protecting the marriage or enabling his shortcomings?

Fourth; smoking pot and being a non-conformist are skills that he is teaching your son.  What are you going to do about it?  He has planted his 'flag'.

Finally; take a moment and pause for a reality check.  Think about the standard tasks of the SAHD: washing, house cleaning, cooking, shopping, changing diapers, yard work, general repairs, playtimes, charting growth, doctors appointments, dishes and all of that.  Right now, TODAY, ask yourself this: who does more on the above list, you or him?  Who will do more on the above list when he is a SAHD (you or him)?  Keep it real.

-SAHpops out.  Good luck.



Hogan
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Keep Talking and Reach Out

Choosing the one income lifestyle (be it at-home dad or mom) is a difficult choice to make and so is the transition.  It's scary for both husband and wife.  Especially in today's tough economy.

Here is my 2 cents.

1.  Find someone to watch the baby for a weekend.  You and your husband take the weekend to relax and discuss the at-home dad lifestyle and write up a plan on paper.  Without the baby there will be no interruptions or distractions and some time for romance.  This will help you focus on the decision and also give you time to be a couple again.

2.  Talk to other SAHD families in your community.  Ask them how they made the transition and the benefits.  While it is important to note the challenges, focus on the benefits of the SAHD lifestyle and one income family.  

3.  I know these is a tough economy and money is an issue.  Nevertheless, don't make money an issue.  "Quality of life as a family is more important than quality of family's lifestyle."  There are many successful and functional families who make their marriage and one income lifestyle (be it at-home dad or mom) "WORK." Key word being WORK!  Tina and I did it on a teacher's salary in southern California.  

4.  Tina and I have been married for 21 years.  It took a lot of WORK to get this far.  And we still WORK on keeping the family together.  Yes, there were (and still are) times when I wanted to give up on our relationship and thought about divorce.  But each time I did, I thought about what I would lose if I did.  I had more to gain by staying in the marriage.  

In the end the decision is between you and your husband.  With the decision comes the huge responsibility of accepting the consequences of it.  

Good luck.  

 

 

 



msmithivas
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Being an at home dad hard work

I agree with SAHPops above - it's hard work being an at home dad, and it sounds like your husband might not have the right attitude to take that on as a role now. The fact that it is you who is the one researching options speaks volumes. Given that you have relationship and substance abuse issues to deal with now, converting your spouse into a role he doesn't seem to want would only exacerbate the tensions in your home. I'd suggest seeking counseling or other type of support before changing roles. Has he expressed any interest in becoming a SAHD?



piccu9
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thanks guys

I really appreciate your input and perspective.

He has expressed interest but only with 3 days a week. He wants to hang on to his business so badly that he wants to find a nanny for 1 day a week. Good luck.

For further financial info, I make close to 6 figs and while it sounds like a lot, with the bills we have to pay it comes to way over $4k a month. I asked him to get his financial planner friend and lets talk about what we can budget. Instead he did it alone and the guy suggested for ME to take on $12k of his credit card debt and roll it into the mortgage refi. The issue I have is I DID THAT before with a $30k HELOC that I NEVER wanted but he badgered me and said I should roll my debts too. The issue is that 1) my debts were only $7-10 (don't remember). He took the rest. 2. he PROMISED he would pay for 1/2 the HELOC and we would be all set in 5 years. He never did. I refied the HELOC and it hasn't budged in 7 years.

I'm tired of him looking to me to bail him out. He got really angry when I said no to the roll into the mortgage and said I should roll mine since I pay for 95% of the bills and I'm dying here. He swore and hung up on me when I said sell his stuff. He said flat out no.

For housework, I do the majority of it too. He cooks. That's it. It's part of the other issue.

Divorce scares me. I saw a lawyer yesterday and it sounds like a horrific process where I lose financially (he could only give me $150 a week in child support) and splitting up time is going to be a nightmare but I'm willing to do it for my son.

For the weed, it's always been a pain point for me. He's cut back but 2 friends are stupid with it with their kids so we fight about the future with these people .I don't want my son trying it at 10 years old by hanging with these kids. I can see that happening.

I thought about counceling but he feels that it's all me. He's now hitting below the belt that I only used him to get a child and pointing out infertility treatments, etc. Funny how I have bene married for 7 years. So much for using him for a kid. And why the heck would I have a kid with the intention of divorce knowing how painful it is financially, emotionally, psychologically to everyone involved?

He feels I'm immovable with a solution to get us out of debt. I just see me bailing him out when it's obvious golf and good times never end with him is using me. It feels like I have a bratty, irresponsible 13 year old. Not a husband. If he sold everything he had, got a 2nd job at night and paid down his cards, and be a SAHD without complaining about our son teething along with doing housework? Then I would be fine with SAHD duties because he would have a job. While he has a business, it's failing and I'm upset that he won't accept that and do something more.

I just don't know what to do. I feel backed up into divorce yet it sounds like a horrible option for us all. I don't want to live my life out with a rollercoaster of finacial issues , fighting, and nothing changing or improving. We're 37, it's about time we get our @# together and create a real life for us; something solid. He lives for the moment and panics me. That's how he rolls.

 

 



piccu9
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Oh and someone asked if I

Oh and someone asked if I was clean. BA/MA, always held a job that increased in pay and potential and I don't do drugs. Never have. I drink once in a while (wine and I'm a lightweight). He though can also slam down the drinks if he wanted to. He's cut back.



SAHPops
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Just a couple of thoughts...

Wow.  Sorry if I sounded like a 'preachy old man' up in that first post.  I have a sister-in-law who is in a 'to divorce or not divorce' situation right now.  I am also a survior of a marriage that had dissolved after 10 years (no kids at that time, though).

My wife and I had a had time adjusting to the birth of our daughter.  I have a BA in elementary education.  She's involved in IT security.  Her salary is 3x what I can make.  It was a no-brainer for us; but it did force us to change our lifestyles.  We cut off the cable TV (we treat ourselves to pizza and netflix on the weekend).  We cut out the vacations (we do day trips and forays to the local coffee shops or playgrounds).  We found that our little girl has made us far more active (we have lost 30 lbs in the past year) and more involved with each other, because of our decision to act as a team.

It has been hard.  We like to travel around.  There have been times that I've felt trapped and very alone.  Two things have allowed me to succeed: 1. As her first birthday came, she became a person that I could interact with more and more.  2. I found new and better ways to use my energy around the house (planning / doing small improvements and all of that).

I know that my wife is feeling the pressure of bringing in the income.  However, it is my job to enable her to make that happen.  She comes home to dinner and a clean house.  She has an hour or two of alone time with our little girl on the weekends when I do the yard stuff, which has done wonders for their bonding.  We spend less money, because we have shifted our interests away from eating out and traveling.  We do things together whenever we can, as time has become the precious commodity.

With all of that being said, a thing that came to mind is shooting out some ideas to return your relationship to some kind of central ground.  It sounds like you have separate life directons.  Think about what you to did before you were married.  Not big stuff, like jetting around or week-long vacations; think more along the lines of day-trips or long weekends.  It sounds like you have the tools (and he has the time) to make these things happen.

Do a weekend RV trip to a local site.  Let him drive, plan, cook or do whatever he is inclined to do.  However, try to do it as a team.  The only rule is that you two have to be TOGETHER in what is done that weekend.  If he golfs, you two come along; if you go antiquing, he comes along.  Stick in one or two things that you might like to do and see how he plays his roll in the team.

Give him some dry-runs at the SAHD thing.  Define what you feel his roll should be and see if he accepts it and/or can manage it.

Look into some local groups.  Meetup.com (NOT a dating site) has some good (local to zip codes) family groups.  If you are members of a church, that might be an option as well; however, that might become an additional source of tension if he is not truly into any specific faith.  See if there is a once-a-week thing that your family can do with other families.  He might find himself attached to some positive roll models in the group.

Stick you baby in a stroller and go miniture golfing.  Let him show off for you two.

Find a community playground and go as a family for an hour.  Or take a long walk around the block.

Ultimately, all I am trying to say is that a change of scenery might be all it takes to loosen him up a little.  Let him meet / network with other dads.  It also will provide you with one other simple Truth: how involved is he, and how much do you really need?  I know it was an eye-opener for my wife and I.



Albyonfloats
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One other big white elephant in the corner of the room here

With all due respect, it sounds like your husband is a typical good old boy, who is having trouble accepting his own shortcomings with his business. I am certainly not taking his side in this, because I disagree with every part of it, but consider this for a moment.

You're a guy. You own your own business, tinker with your classic car, play golf with your buddies, smoke a little weed now and then and (it is generally assumed) do your share of "honey-do's" on the weekends when you're not out in the RV exploring the world. You've got a loving wife and a child you adore. Sounds like a pretty cool life, right? At least to the other guys. That's the perception. A perception he's desperate to perpetuate. But perception isn't reality.

Here's the reality. You're business is dying fast and quiet. You can't even afford to pay your 10% of the bills. Your wife wants you to stop doing all those things that support other people's perceptions of you as a "real man." She's always nagging you about getting a 2nd job, stop smoking weed, or playing golf. She wants you to sell off the fruits of your labor. "Maybe, she's right. I should just drop everything I believe in and admit I'm a colossal failure." (Do you really think he's going to agree with/admit that last statement to himself or anyone else?)  Again, I'm not saying I agree with him, I'm saying some, or maybe even all of these things are probably going through his head. He's maintaining the life he's always led because it beats admitting you're pretty much failing across the board.

That being said, you are right on about the example he is setting for your child. And his unwilingness to try and get a 2nd job is indicative of an atitude that might not be the best for being at home with a child. Being at home is not about you or your ego, both of which he seems to be struggling with already. But maybe it would take this sort of thing to wake him up to the "good life" he's already got that can't be matched by golfing or tinkering on the car. It's a thankless job as you are painfully aware already, and there is not an ounce of "manly-man glory" to be had in doing it. However, if he can learn as the rest of us did, to take pleasure in other accomplishments like learning to do the laundry and not turn all the whites pink, or put away the dishes while rocking out to some tunes, then he can not only survive, but he can learn to be good at this "job." He can still tinker on the car if you guys can afford to keep it, but have him do it after you are done with your work day, while you are bonding with baby. He can mow the lawn, do general handyman stuff and still maintain his guy status while also doing the less guy-glamorous tasks. He doesn't have to BRAG about learning to change a diaper, he just has to do it. Anyway, you get the idea. He's having a male identity crisis is what it sounds like to me. (I grew up in small-town Texas, where men worked and women stayed home and raised the kids. Trust me, I know the feeling.) He's scared of what losing all of those "trophies" might make him appear to be to the other guys. It's a scarey thing for someone when you're faced with losing or challenging the only beliefs you've ever known. I'm not saying it's any easier for you to challenge your maternal instincts, but just consider his side before you guys talk yourselves into something you can't undo.

You guys have some hard decisions and some even harder WORK ahead of you, but it doesn't sound impossible. You want his attention, print these comments out and have him read them. Sometimes it helps to hear from people who aren't prejudiced by being too close to the situation.  The thing to notice is that ALL of us believe you two can survive this. We aren't just saying this because we are looking to add to our ranks, we are trying to give you a couple of ideas other than divorce. It may wind up being the only option that ultimately works, but it should be viewed as a last resort. You should try everything else first. That option isn't going anywhere.

Good luck.---Alby

 

Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. -- Albert Einstein



msbleary
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It sounds like you are both in pain right now

 

I really feel for you, both of you, in the situation you are in.  It is painful when you are arguing and defensive and feeling disempowered, which I'm betting that you are both feeling right now.

I'm sure that there's a lot more to know about your situation and your relationship, and esp. to hear your husband's side of things too.  But based on what you've said, I have a couple of thoughts that I hope will be helpful:

1.  It sounds like your relationship is unbalanced - like you are overfunctioning - trying to handle things and solve problems; your husband is underfunctioning and resisting some of your attempts to solve things.  It's not about your solutions per se, it's about who's in control and who has power in the relationship (which again I would bet feels in short supply in the relationship - for my wife and I, when we were in that kind of place, our therapist described it as feeling like "there's not enough air to breathe in the room" - which was very apt for us).

As Alby mentioned above, because of where his life is and maybe also because of your successes, your husband might be particularly vulnerable to feeling disempowered and "less-than" right now.  And that's likely what he's fighting you about - he can't let you make him feel even more "less-than."

If you want to work on the relationship, work on rebalancing things.  Try not to get caught in power struggles.  You may need to work on sitting down to talk with him about the problems you are facing and not coming up with any solutions, but rather ask him what he thinks you two should do (and wait for an answer).   Don't shoot down the first suggestion, but ask him and work together on brainstorming a lot of solutions, which you can evaluate later.

2.  Before you two can do much fruitful problem-solving, I would guess you need to reconnect with a sense of good will towards each other.  Try to have some fun time, like Hogan suggested, or at least to remember what you love about each other, some of the important experiences you have shared, what he means to you and you to him, what he is teaching you about yourself right now, what blessings you bring to each other's lives, etc. - anything that might foster some sense of good will and/or hope.

3.  Good couples therapy could be helpful to you both with these ideas.  If you want to email me (matthew@matthewleary.com), I'm a member of the American Academy of Psychotherapists, and I might be able to get you a recommendation of someone in your area.  If that's totally out of the quesiton, you might start with some self-help books:  "Hold me tight:  Seven conversations for a lifetime of love" by Sue Johnson, Ph.D. (2008); anything by John Gottman; and "Fighting for your marriage" by Howard Markman are all good ones.

4.  Like other people said, it will take a lot of work, and your marriage might not be able to sustain the work.  It might break you apart, but it might also give you the tools and hope to see things through and both of you will grow from the process.  There is something in all of this for each of you to learn - it's not all about him or all about you.

I wish you both well,

Matthew

 



Jim L
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GTFO!

Two options: He grows up and commits to his family, or you take the baby and go.

Option #1 would obviously be best, but don't be afraid of Option #2.

No way SAHD should be an option until your husband demonstrates a total commitment to you and the baby -- not just lip service, either. Working a crap job to pay down the debt would be a start.

 



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