Lost in my own marriage

silent_yelling
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Hi, I am new to this site thought I would give everyone a hello! So... Hello. I am looking for advice on marriage in general. Here is the story.... Me and my wife had been together for a few years, a total of 5 now. We have only been married for 3 years. We are both extremely young my wife is 21 and I myself only 20. We have 2 beautiful little girls the first is 2 and a half, and the second just 6 months. There are many problems in our marriage. The scoop is that she is a hairdresser working at the local beauty college part-time, and I work as a mental health tech. full time, but here is the catch I work nights 6p-6a sun thru Tuesday then 7a-11a on Wednesday. During the day she refuses to get a babysitter or even let family watch the kids so I can sleep. Why I don't know she won't even discuss it with me. So I stay up all night working come home and jump into my fatherly duties. Then without sleep do it again. I don't mind this at all although very exhausting, I love the time I get with my girls. But the problem lies in that being so young I fear we have both pushed ourselves to far. Another thing I can't seem to grasp is that we have intercourse once every other month and even then it is a cold type of intercourse. And I fear we have lost the romance. One day I even went out and found some silk rose petals and bought some candles, made a dinner for the two of us and dropped the kids of at my parents. Well the rose petals were making a trail from the door to the bedroom and I had all the candles going, But when she walked in the house she simply walked on by me and laid down on the couch, asking why I made a mess of the house. I thought that was for sure a go getter but she didn't even care. I sleep on the couch downstairs because we can't seem to agree on the fact that our eldest daughter should sleep in her own bed. And I don't to fight her on the matter as I feel it may be a waste of energy. We seem to fight now more than ever about the most trivial things. And she has recently expressed that she "has given up on our marriage." Now this comes as a shock since she still calls me every 30 mins when I am not home to tell me she misses me, and is attached at my hip when I am home?>?>? She has expressed many a time that she hates my hours at work. (But isn't the important thing that we can pay our bills) I am at a total loss as to the approach to take with my wife, I love her very much as do I love our children. The fact that she told me she has given up on us is very troubling as all of this came so suddenly within the last 2 months. Basically I guess I need a little more mature advise on this as I have no ideas on what to do. I have tried to talk to her about it, I tried changing into who I thought she wanted, I even have suggested counseling. I am not to proud to try anything as I would love to save my marriage!

Sorry I wrote a book, but if you have any suggestions could you please throw them my way. Ty all.




Mr. Dad
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Courage

I think what you are doing is courageous.  I think marriage and kids that early is always tricky.  I know I would not have been ready.  My wife and I are very happy now, but at that age would have caused problems.  I have to think, I am only getting your side of the story.  If I was to hear hers, she might have another version...  as is always the case.  That doesn't mean I don't believe you, it just means her view might be interesting to hear.  I think your rose pedal story is telling.  What girl/woman asks about the mess?  So strange.  If she is saying "I have given up" she probably has done so.  I feel for you, cause I would not wish this upon nobody.

That being said.  I have kids the age differences of yours.  It is exhausting regardless of your work schedule.  My wife and I had no sex life for like 4 years, and it is just starting to come back around (2 times a month).  She was not into sex at all, and also only did it out of obligation.  Many "talks" started by me made it improve.  Every situation is different.  I am just saying that at your age, and your kids age...  it could be the problem.  I suggest no more kids for a few years.  Make sure things improve first.  I actually told my wife I would not have another kid unless our marriage improved.  We are not trying, but it made the point.

Not sure any of this helps, because I didn't live your situation.  Good luck!  Remember...  in the end the kids matter most (but don't live in a miserable marriage for the kids)!



New No.2
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If y'all have two kids and

If y'all have two kids and you both work and you are doing it once every other month then you ashouls count your blessings. That's cold comfort to cats in their 20s but from my dad perspective that's great.

Women can sometimes "check out" after they have kids. This is a common thread on this site most dads/partners/boyfriends/ can't or dont' see the immagined changes that women see after they have kids. The most obvious example is when gals start wearing sweatpants 'n stuff. They are desexualizing themselfes so they can me mothers. Itdoesn't make much sence to me becasue you cealry lover her and your family and you want to keep the family life going. That's hard not sleeping however. You can't carry the family on your back, you need to rest and sleep. If you wife can't arringe for help, or won't. then you should. It's easy to save face becasue you can always play the, "I'm a man and I can't take all the responcability" card. Genraly that isn't true anycommited parent male or femail, realizes at a certain point that they must take caer of themselves before they can take care of others.

You are in a tight situation and talking to your wife may help. Have you talked about post pardem? That's a tricky subject with a lot of people becasue they hear "crazy" not, "post birth hormone and chemical imbalance that has been recorded in history since the Greeks." I'm not suggesting happy pills but it may aid. Many folsk saythey give up becasue they don't know what to do. Options and other ways to deal with things aren't apparent to them. Saddlymany people also define themselves by being misserable. It's a new way to be but it's on the rise.

It sounds to me like you are doing a tremendious amout of work out of genuine love and a desire for a family. But as you know love and Red Bull can't keep that up forever.

I hope you get a break, and we are always here.

 

Jonathan

 

Be Seeing You.



chitownman
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Hey Silent

Hey Silent,

I hear your problem loud and clear and feel for you.  I agree with Mr. Dad that if I had been married with two kids at your age, I would have struggled as much or worse than you have.  One thing totally baffles my mind, that your wife has stated that she has "Given Up" on  your marriage.  I know that you have attempted to talk with her directly and I am sure that it feels that your hitting/talking to a brick wall.  The harder part is that you both are so young and she may have feelings and issues that she is not acknowledging about where she is at this point in her life.  It may be beneficial for her and you to get both individual and couples counseling to help with this situation.

Even being older in marriage for only now seven years, it is a struggle as well.  The only saving grace that I see at this point in my marriage is that we are seeking couples counseling and hoping that it will help things out between the two of us.  There has been many times since my twins were born about four years ago that I felt that all I was to my wife was a glorified babysitter.  With talking to an impartial observer who may help to provide a different way to look at things for both is starting to help a bit.  In regards to the intimate time being better connected or passionate between the two of you, not sure on that one myself as I still do not feel completely connected with my wife in that department as well.

It is going to be a matter of really attempting to connect while you both talk with one another.  Do your best when you talk with her to keep the emotion out of it (as much as you want to) and do your best to not blame her for what is happening (accusing is detrimental).  Do your best to express how what you see happening makes you feel so that ideally she will hear what you are saying and will ideally want to help to make the situation better or completely kill the whole.  The latter is definitely not something I would wish on anyone and hope that your wife will choose and decide to help work on and improve the marriage.  Hopefully she will open up to you about how she is feeling and will share with you what fears that she maybe having herself at this point and time. 
Either way I hope the best for you and continue to fight to keep your marriage if that is truthfully what you really want.  Best of luck in your efforts for keeping your marriage together.

Robb

Midwest Regional Coordinator

Daddy's Home INC - The National At-Home Dad Network www.daddyshome.org



Hogan
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What Worked For Me

I agree that most women (and some men) lose interest in sex after kids.  It sucks.  But many, including my wife, Tina, lose interest because they get into mother-mode and forget that they are a wife first and mother second.

I’ve always said, as crazy as it may sound, that the marriage should come before the children. The analogy I use is the “airplane oxygen mask” rule airlines announce at the beginning of each flight. Put the oxygen mask on you first, then the children. Many moms don’t get this because they think the kids should come first.

Many moms also get caught up in the “Super Mom” game in which moms compete with each other. With all the energy a wife puts into keeping up with and trying to impress other moms, work and managing the house when she’s home, she has little energy left for her husband.

Unfortunately, a wife’s lack of interest in sex exists in marriage with kids and it is a big challenge to overcome. However, I found there are things I can do as a husband to improve the quality of my relationship with my wife, Tina.

BTW, there are a lot of working husbands who get consumed with work and ignore their at-home wives.

The common factor is lack of communication.

I didn’t give up communicating with my wife about this important marital issue.

Here is what I did and worked for me with examples of conversations.

I shared with Tina how important the intimacy (don't call it sex) was for me.  And that despite our busy schedules with the kids we had to MAKE not find time to make love (don't call it sex).

I shared how making love (don't call it sex) with HER was a stress reliever and a time to escape all the bullshit in the real world.  Making love with HER was also a time of bliss that helped me find the courage to take on the next challenge in our life. And it also gave me something to look forward time in times when I needed an emotional energy boost.

I explained the rejection I felt by her disinterest in making love with me.

I persuaded Tina to schedule a date night once a month. Again this is a MAKE time. One rule is that you can’t talk about the kids.  Sounds easy but it's not.

Tina is also a neat freak. So no matter how hard I tried to keep the house clean (and I kept a pretty clean house) it was never good enough for her. One day I told her “That I needed cleaning too.”

“Tina, I’m suffering from MSB.” A man’s version of PMS. MSB stands for Multiple Sperm Backup.

I used what I call the “Third Party Rule.” I called a relative or trusted friend of Tina’s and asked them to call Tina and offer to babysit the kids. The strategy here is when someone outside the family offers help the wife (Tina) will be more inclined to take the advice. (Heck, what wife ever listens to her husband!). I would instruct the relative or friend to say, “Tina, I noticed that you and Hogan haven’t been out on a date in a while. I will be happy to babysit the kids while you and Hogan go out or spend the weekend on a mini honeymoon. And I won’t take no for an answer.”

Good luck and don’t give up!

Hogan, 

 



TimB
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Something To Think About

The other posters had some good advice but a couple of things stuck out when I read your post. You said that she refuses to let anyone else watch the kids and won't tell you why. You also said that she calls you every 30 minutes to tell you she misses you. It's possible that there's something in her past that may be causing her intimacy problems. I think it would be worth going to counseling. If you can't get her to go with you, a professional may be able to give you some ideas about how to get her to talk about what's going on.



webdad
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I agree

I agree with TimB, Those two statements also stuck out in reading your post. There could be some past issue in your wife's life as young as she is that may have caused a trust issue in leaving the kids with someone else. Same for the intamacy, it could be a past issue that she has never discussed with you.

I also agree with New about post pardem, she could be just totally overwhelmed i.e 2 children at a young age, your amount of hours working, her job, the stress between you, it may be all catching up with her.

I really think you need to seek some advice from a profesisonal.

Bob Boisvert SAHD since 2000 with Jennifer & Sarah (10.5 years) and Grace (7)



tracy
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from a mom's point of view

Silent_yelling....I feel for you. I've been married for 26 years and have four grown kids. my first was born when I was only 18. your wife not wanting sex when your children are young is pretty common. I was thinking after I read your post (and before I read other's suggestions) pretty much what Hogan suggested. You must talk to your wife...but try a different approach. the last thing a young mother and wife wants is to feel pressure to preform sexuallly. Sometimes thinking more like a woman will get through to one...talk about your feelings and how much you love and need her. ask her what it is you can do to make her happy. talk to her like Hogan suggested (i think he's pretty right on)...and i would add, whatever it is that turns your wife on sexually...do it. i'm sure you know what that is...and intercourse probably isn't it. do it when the kids are napping and i mean, at first, you might have to dive right in....because she won't be in the mood if she thinks you are expecting anything from her (it's not fair, I know...but the woman is obviously exhausted herself). after awhile...she'll be sexually charged and see that it is possible to carry on a healthy sex life (my husband and I got very creative with finding time and places around the house), and that it will actually enrich her life (and marriage). Hopefully after a short time of seeing that you are willing to do what you can to make her life easier she will follow suit....you are setting the example....and she'll try to figure out what she can do to make your life easier too. oh! and we had a "family bed" too. but after my husband showed me what an orgasm felt like...i was open to getting out of the bed after the kids fell asleep and into the closet, couch, or kids room, to have sex.....and it didn't take long before I was way more eager to make sure he was happy too.   



Hogan
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Thinking Like a Woman

Thanks for the compliment Tracy.

Thinking like a woman has not been easy for me but it has definitely helped my marriage.  I credit the change in my state of mind and approach to the way I communicate with my wife, Tina, to:

1.  Having read the book "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus” when it debuted in 1992.

2.  My time spent with the stay-at-home moms coffee group.  In 1991 there was no at-home dad support network or playgroup. The moms at the elementary school were kind enough to invite me into their morning coffee group… (which led to luncheons and other mom events). I said “YES!” because I had no other adults to hang out with.  Often times the moms treated and talked to me like I was a mom.  So I got accustomed to the way women talk to each other. I learned how women think, act and view the world. The moms gave me a perspective I never considered as a man.

One of the moms even paid me a compliment.

I like having you in the group because there aren’t as many catfights when you are around.

Now if I can just get Tina to sometimes think like a man we'd have a perfect marriage.



michaelroth
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I applaud your courage in

I applaud your courage in trying to seek help rather than simply trying to bury the problem. Working through marriage issues has nothing to do with masculinity, its simply a question of being happy. That being said, I think you are experiencing the trying times of starting a family so young. obviously you cannot change these circumstances now, so what you can do is try your best to consistently remind yourself that the joys and beauties of love are distinct entities from the plights of everyday life, and that it is possible for love to continue to be real and all encompassing even in the most difficult of times. You certainly do not want to separate at such an impressionable time for your children, so maybe you need to focus less on your work and more on your family. You and your wife have to discuss the risks of taking on a lighter work schedule, and what it would mean for your finances.



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