Whose role is it anyway?

JKF Irish
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Hello  and  greetings  from  Dublin  Ireland.  This  is  my  first  post  here  so  we'll  see  how  it  goes.

The  situation  is  this.  We  have  two  children  a  4 1/2  yr  old  and  a  1 1/2  yr old.

Since  my  wife  went  back  to  work  6  months  after  the  birth  of  our  first  child  we  both  reduced  our  hours  at  work  and  tried  to  have  it  set  up  that  one  of  us  was  always  at  home.    We  have  tweaked  with  this  a  bit  where  the  current  situation  is  that  our  eldest  is  in  preschool  mon  to  friday  9  to  12,  (this  is  paid  for  by  the  state),  but  both  of  them  are  in  til  4:30  2  days  a  week.  Part  of  the  reason  for  the  use  of  part  time  child  care  during  the  week  was to  give  me  more  flexability  in  my  job,  ie  to  not  to  always  have  to  work  weekends.  Also  I  found  it  tiering  and  to  be  honest  I  needed  a  break.  So  the  occassional  full  day  off  was  great.

When  number  2  was  born;  well  again  after  my  wifes  maternity  leave  I  took  over  again.  I  never  changed  my  hours. The  youngest,  takes  a  lot  more  out  of  me  than  the  eldest  did.  So  the  last  year  or  so  has  been  hard  work.  At  times  I  haven't  really  felt  I  was  suited  to  being  at  home  as  my  patience  and  temper  would  get  the  better  of  me.  However  I  think  overall  I'm  ok.  I  try  to  run  things  in  an  organised  way  and  mostly  it  works.  The  mammy  on  the  other  hand  is  different  at  home.  She  has  more  patience  and  is  in  general  better  with  doing  things  with  them.  However  the  poor  house  might  get  a  bit  neglected.  On  average  I  am  with  my  childern  3 maybe  4  days  a  week  on  my  own.

Just  before  Christmas  my  wife  was  given  her  notice  and  will  be  finishing  her  work  soon.  She  loves  her  job  very  much  in  scientific  research.  She  is  quqlified  to  PhD  standard  and  is  excellent  in  all  aspects  of  her  work.  As  for  my  work  place,  well  I  believe  I  am  good  at  my  job.  However  I  have  been  working  as  a  nurse  in  a  detox  centre  for  10  years.  I  am  just  about  totally  pissed  off  with  it  but  I  do  believe  the  job  is  worth  while  in  itself.  So  it  would  make  sense  in  one  way  that  I  stay  home  and  my  wife  get  another  job,  (hopefully).  As  the  last  few  weeks  have  passed  I  have  started  to  think  maybe  it  is  me  who  should  be  thinking  about  another  job?  If  my  wife  gets  another  job  and  it  is  in  the  private  sector,  (most  likely),  she  will  more  likely  be  working  full  time  and  not  have  the  same  flexability  as  before.  She  would  not  like  that,  she  would  miss  her  children.  And  the  big  question  comes  back  to  us  both,  Who  wants  to  stay  home  most  and  who  is  best  with  the  boys?

There  are  times  where  it  it  is  clear  and  other  times  where  it  is  not.  We  think  we  are  heading  in  the  direction  of  me  increasing  my  hours  and  doing  further  training  for  the  sake  of  getting  out  of  my  present  job  and  for  the  sake  of  improving  my  income  potential.  Also  I  would  like  to  feel  satisfied  with  work  again. 

A  lot  of  messages  here  are  about  fathers  taking  the  plunge  to  full  parenting,  this  feels  different  even  though  I  know  in  reall  terms  it  isn't  as I've  kept  my  feet  in  both  ponds  and  well  it's  time  to  choose  either  way.

I  look  forward  to  reading  what  others  may  say  about  this.  I  think  if  I  had  found  this  site  last  year  I  would  have  been  more  comfortable  in  my  parenting  choice  so  far,  and  perhaps  I  would  be  planning  to  stay  at  home.  But  then  if  that  is  what  my  wife  wants  then  shouldn't  I  give  that  to  her.  Is  it  her  decision  ultimatley?

God's  Blessings

JKF 

 




daddyfever
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It was a natural choice for us

When our son was born, my wife was on the cusp of finishing her Masters degree and I had already been in the working world for a number of years, so (since we both thought it would be best to have a parent home for the first few years at least) it seemed only natural to us to let her have a shot at getting a relevant job and using her education.  So, I quit my steady job, kept working part-time as a freelance translator, and that enabled us to be able to easily move wherever she got a job.  I am really happy to be at home - I love it!  I know what you mean about getting drained sometimes though.

I would say that who stays home is neither her choice nor your choice, you have to decide together; but I can understand it would be tough if you both wanted to stay home....



TopDog
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Meet Each Other Halfway

Whatever you decide try to find common ground.  One works fulltime, one works part time. Both work full time, one picks up, other does some of the shopping. One takes care of the house.  Other takes care of the kids.  Both take care of the kids on weekends, so each is working part time on weekends and the family takes a break.  If you go fulltime, meet other dads and their kids along the way. Makes your life a lot more interesting and gives you ideas for down the road when you go back to work. Allows the kids to play and make friends.



TopDog
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In The House Organize but Don't Worry About It

Organize where you can.  Clean the Dishes when you can.  Clean the clothes when you can.  Keep working on it, continously, but don't worry too much about it.   If everything in your home is perfect, it is just waiting to get be worn, be used in the kitchen, again.  You can use the same cup, plate, utensils all over again all week, to make it simple.  Organize and simplify.  For food, what you eat more of, buy in bulk. Buy for the week, for the month.  Don't go overload buying in bulk, only the things you use most of.



omahahomedad
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What an exciting and stressful time!

Sounds like you have a lot of options and tough decisions ahead.

When we decided that I would stay home with our kids 7 years ago, the decision was based largely on who's career would provide the best for our family financially. I could have kept working, but the costs of daycare here and the fast-food dinners, cleaning service and other things would have so eaten at my salary that I calculated my take home pay would have been about 10 grand. Bust my butt for 10 grand? Not worth it.

At the time, we were going to be just getting by on only my wife's income. But, her career had a lot greater advancement opportunity than mine and in the 7 years she has doubled her income, so in that regard, it was the right decision.

For us, it never came down to who was better suited to handle the kids on a day to day basis. If it had been, she would have stayed home. She partly raised two of her younger sisters and, as most women, babysat a lot. I did babysit a little, but never changed a diaper until my daughter was born. I was not suited for the stress of crying babies or cranky kids.

Two things changed that though. First, I was determined to not fail. I read books, asked my wife and mom for advice and kept trying to make it work. Second, I found a group of at-home dads to hang out with on a weekly basis. These guys were going through the same things I was and it really helped to have that support.

We now have 4 kids, ages 7 to 20 months and I think I have done a pretty good job. It was the right decision for our family and, despite my shortcomings, I think our kids are better off because we decided that I should stay home.

JKF, you may not come to this same conclusion for your family but I implore you not to base it entirely on who is best suited to be home with the kids. That should factor into the equation, but not be the primary reason. With more experience and support from at-home dads here and hopefully in Ireland, you will have the tools to become successful. And you don't need to feel inadequate about your struggles. Being the primary care provider is a lot harder for us dads because we have so little experience going in; you've got to give yourself time to gain that experience.  I would bet that you were a good nurse after 3 years, but a great one after 10. The same is the case for you as a father.

Good luck!

Al Watts, Vice-President, Daddyshome, Inc. - The National At-Home Dad Network

www.daddyshome.org



daddyfever
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I had the most experience

Wow - omahahomedad - nice answer!

It wasn't a question of who would be best with the baby in our house either, but I was the one with the most experience with kids - With a baby in the house, however, as long as one person doesn't hog all the responsibility, you both become pretty good at it pretty quickly :-)

 



JKF Irish
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Defining best

I  have  found  all  the  comments  made  so  far  very  interesting.  It  seems  from  these  comments  and  the  comments  of  other  threads  that  most  men  make  the  decision  to  be SAHDs  full  time  for  financiall  reasons.  People  make  projections  as  best  as  they  can  as  to  who  has  the  best  income  potential  and  decide  on that  basis.  In  our  case  that  is  very  difficult.  Currently  my  wife  is  on  her  last  month  of  pay.  She  does  have  a  PhD  science  research  degree,  but  believe  it  or  not  I  could  earn  more  than  her  by  working  Sundays,  nights  etc,  but  then  you  have  a  quality  of  life  issue.  There  is  a  masters  I'm  considering,  which  could  lead  to  a  very  well  paid  job,  who  knows.  Maybe  my  wife  could  get  a  job  in  the  private  sector,  (not  her  preference),  and  earn  really  well,  or  maybe  it  would  be  just  ok.  Also  my  wife  doesn't  want  to  be  away  from  her  children  to  such  an  extent  that  she  would  feel  she  was  loosing  out  too  much.  And  I  guess  that  if  she  believes  she  would  really  want  to  stay  at  home  then  that  is  that,  isn't  it?

The  complication  for  me  is  that  I  know  if  I   go  back  working  full  time  I  could  become  very  stressed  in  an  environment  that  I  just  find  totaly  frustrating  at  times.  I  accept  my  personality  plays  a  role  in  that.  And  recently  I  find  at  times  my  temper  just  gets  the  better  of  me  at  home.  Like  I  said  in  the  first  comment,  the  seccond  child  can  be  very  demanding.  From  linking  in  here  though  I  have  come  to  think  that  a  lot  of  the  frustrations  can  probably  be  easily  dealt  with.  Such  as  how  to  keep  children  safely  occupied  while  tring  to  do  somthing   else.  So  it  probably  is  possible  for  me  to  practicaly  find  solutions  to  parenting  problems  of  the  very  young,  and  so  reduce  my  stress.

Also  I  believe  that  I  would  miss  work,  not  my  job,  but  work  in  general.  I  worked  10  years  in  the  addiction  area  so  far  and  well  I  would  like  to  use  it  before  it  goes  stale.  Also  I  like  photography  and  creative  media  editing.  At  present  I  get  precious  little  time  to  follow  that  up.  I  don't  want  to  loose  myself  in  a  flood  of  dirty,  "NAPPIES". You  guys  seem  to  have  not  done  that  though!!

For  those  complicated  reasons  I  believe  it  is  a  case  of  decding  who  is  best  for  the  children  full  time.  ME  or  HER???????   It  is  the  only  factor  I  can  see  of  significance  that  seperates  us.  Yes  we  do  have  to  make  a  joint  decision.  What  has  precipitated  all  this  is  my  wife  loosing  her  job.  So  soon  I  will  have  to  increase  my  hours.  She  has  been  job  hunting  but  now  we  have  started  this  process  of  deciding  who  will  stay  home  so  that  has  slacked  off.  She  does  have  an  interview  on  Wednesday  though.  

Things  could  just  slide  by  without  decisions  being  made.  I  think  I  find  being  at  home  difficult  somtimes  because  it  wasn't  a  purposeful  decision  on  my  behalf.  If  I  am  to  stay  home  this  time  I  want  it  to  be  a  definite  I  have  made  my  choice  move.

Anyway  my  own  head  is  melted  now  as  is  yours  probably  from  reading  this  and  I'm  sorry  if  the  length  of  this  has  put  you  off  replying.  I  would  appreciate  any  insight  you  may  have,  as  I  know  I  may  not  be  seeing  a  bigger  picture.

God's Blessings JKF



ScottyG
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"best suited"

Many good answers here, and would just like to add a bit to the discussion.  The idea of who is "best suited" to staying at home with children is a very complicated one.  In my situation, you would have thought my wife was "best suited."  After all, she has a sister 9 years younger who she helped raise, she teaches courses to children, she was a professional camp counselor, did a lot of babysitting as a kid... As for me, I had pretty much no experience with babies or kids.  I liked them a lot, but didn't have much know-how.

The thing is, that's just a matter of experience, not of aptitude.  I thought "but I've never changed a diaper," but within a week, I'd changed 100, and was an old pro.  And so on.  I think the important part is PERSONALITY.  My wife is fairly Type A, likes to be on-task at all times.  I am more relaxed, but also more patient and willing to focus on one task at a time.  Both of our personalities work well for different types of work.  Staying home with a baby or two?  My personality was totally more suited to that task.  I didn't have experience, but I did have the right temperament.  And the experience comes.... well, with experience.  Staying home with a baby for just a few weeks, I already felt like a master.  You do a job 24 hours a day, you get good at it quick.

 



TopDog
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Might Be A "Roll with It" Decision

In this world money is needed to pay the bills.  So, with that in mind, a possible scenario.  You increase your hours at some point if it looks like she will be taking care of the kids.   If the work for her works out, then you slack off and all goes back to where it was.   Finances are a way of life.  Some decisions are based on finances.  One way to look at the situation. 



omahahomedad
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Maybe a competition is in order?

One part of my response that I left out was more detail on how the decision came about on me becoming an at-home dad. Perhaps this is an idea you can try JKF.

Shortly after our first daughter was born about 7 and a half years ago, my wife and I both had opportunities for a promotion. My promotion opportunity was a little less likely and would have resulted in much less income over time, but it would have been just enough for us to live ok on that income. So, part of our decision process was kind of a competition of sorts: whoever gets the promotion gets to keep working and the other gets to stay home. Four months after our daughter was born, my wife was promoted and I quit my job.

Perhaps both of you can actively seek better employment and whoever gets the job gets to keep working.

Two other points: 1. You are correct that the decision to stay home must be one YOU make. The dads I know that this decision was forced upon through a job loss or other circumstances, struggle the most. Many become successful in the end, but the dads who choose it for themselves, the success rate is almost 100%.

2. If your wife does work, she will miss the kids terribly. You will have to do many things to help alleviate that pain; a pain you will not fully understand. Don't worry, there's a lot of help for you on this forum.

Good luck!

Al Watts, Vice-President, Daddyshome, Inc. - The National At-Home Dad Network

www.daddyshome.org



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